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B. [R] 01-12-2013 11:04 PM

Some of the bigger issues facing Raw and the WWE today.
 
*As a fan of the wrestling business since I was 6 years old, I don't claim to be an expert and anyone willing to refute any claim I've made please do so, as it will further improve the accuracy of my ranting.*


Onto the show....


Now a days, people complain about the program being stale and underwhelming, why? What is it that it seems as though the WWE in it's presentations on RAW take two steps forward and three steps back? Is it the superstars? Is it the commentators, or is it the script? Well my simple answer to this is that it's all three and then some.


Then we get to the three hours for Raw, what could have been a blessing in disguise has made Raw into the most painfully cringe inducingly long wrestling show ever. And for what? More ad revenue? It's not like they've even scratched the surface on what they could do with that much time. Despite the better, and longer TV matches that's come out of it, in a way we still feel cheated. Like there isn't enough substance, what with the commercials every 2 mins and so on.

However, issue number 1 for me is complacency. Complacency leads to laziness which leads to stagnation. Funny, because it seems to trickle down into every part and machination of the product. Down the talent in the back who are so afraid of the totalitarian nature of their superiors that they settle for coasting along for fear of being completely buried. The superiors who see that they have no competition so they coast along and produce some of the most lackluster shit seen in the last decade. Its a shame because the talent pool now has some of the best talent and untapped potential since god knows when, and yet everything seems to be pissed down the fucking drain due to a need to appease the stockholders, blowing their wad all over the god damn place.

Speaking of pissing away talent, something has to be done about the scripted nature of the show and this is the biggest issue of all for me. It has to go away, because of the nature of the writing making everything presented on television, bland, contrived and boring as shit. There is no consistency to be found, and when there is it's far and between. Wrestlers are sports entertainers, AND vice-versa.

Yeah it sure as hell isn't Hollywood, but for fucks sake stop holding the hands of every single fucking superstar out of fear that they'll tank on television. Seriously, that's why nobody fucking talks, since people can't get that experience else where like ECW or the territories, it seems as though they feel the need to baby them with the script until they have the balls to say fuck it and ad lib their entire promos.

I thought at least they can get practice in on the house shows, why can't they get a few key things to cover and just make shit up as they go along? I don't get it someone please explain this to me. Why do they not want anyone to get over? Would it really be THAT bad to step up ones game, have them be over with the crowd in the midcard and finally go up to main event status? Do the little things that would make the crowd become invested in these characters? Playing up to one's gimmick or even having a character for that matter? Anyway...

Having so many people just rush into the ME makes the secondary belts look like dog shit, and even then its not like the two main belts matter, because the WHC has been opening shows for god knows how long and the WWE title has been in the midcard over several events for the past year. God damn, I don't even want to get started on what they did with CM Punk.....

Another minor issue over saturation, and its like this. Raw and Smackdown, with NXT as a developmental show. AND. THATS. IT. Seriously, we have Main Event, Sat. Morning Slam, 3 hrs of Raw, and Smackdown every single week. Just have enough people who you have a vision for in the long run, a few good experienced hands and whatnot to fill out the roster enough to justify having only three shows and book them accordingly.

Lately for the past two years is that i've noticed that for the time being, they have almost completely given up on the midcard and put all their chips into the main event for Wrestlemania season ever since WM28 when they booked Rock/Cena. Nothing matters or progresses, because everything is filler up until its time to start building for the next big PPV. Its gotten so bad that you can outright predict an entire card's worth of matches and be correct 8-9/10 based on the given time of the year because you have an idea of who's gonna win and retain what championship because this person is challenging for it at the next Big 4 PPV. It takes all the suspense and intrigue out of watching any other time of the year.

That's kinda why i've noticed that they've stopped undercutting the superstars, as they are using the time The Rock is using to sell their PPVs to build people up. All these on and off, schizophrenic pushes are what put them in this mess to begin with, but at least they are turning things around. For their future I hope so.

In any case, you may find this to be quite a read, and I could go on; but I hope you've found it entertaining. My next thread will be on John Cena, and the many detriments he has caused the WWE as a whole, and yet why some of that hate may be misdirected.

ROGERTHAT21 01-12-2013 11:48 PM

Re: Some of the bigger issues facing Raw and the WWE today.
 
No offence, but this thread (and the thread you're planning on doing) has been done to death already. Especially the latter.

NiKKi_SEGA 01-13-2013 12:13 AM

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blur 01-13-2013 12:21 AM

Re: Some of the bigger issues facing Raw and the WWE today.
 
i dont know why people who complain about the wwe usually bring up how long they were watching wrestling

no1 gives a fuck

cesaro_ROCKS 01-13-2013 02:13 AM

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well, since you aren't being a blind moron about it, I actually read what you had to say. It's true, and I think most people would agree and already feel that way. So it's not necessary for us to just keep hammering away at it.

More simply, Raw is now like the Hobbit. Neither needs to be super fucking long and have so much spotlight on so many minor characters. But it does, and it's all so it can satisfy every type of fanbase and make as much money as possible.

SinJackal 01-13-2013 02:26 AM

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I agree with some of the OP's worries. The 3 hour Raw isn't working, but mainly because the show simply has nothing in it of value. If Raw went back to 2 hours, the same problem is there, there's just an hour less of it.

I don't get OP's point about "something has to be done about the scripted nature of the show". wut? They're not going to fight for real, and if the show wasn't scripted, everyone's going to want to go over. Then nobody gets over.

Someone has to lose. Someone's got to look bad.


These are the actual main problems of WWE, besides the 3 hour Raw (imo of course):


Most of the wrestlers on the show feel, and are generic

Most of the matches on the show feel generic

Most of the looks of the wrestlers on the show are generic

Most of the gimmicks on the show are generic

Most of the wrestler names on the show are generic

Most of the promos and storylines on the show are generic


Long story short, almost everything about the show feels generic. And it starts and circles around the wrestlers themselves. The usual kinds of wrestler WWE has been going with lately have not been working out. The new direction is a failure. Fans are leaving.

WWE needs to go back to airing more gimmicky wrestlers, with memorable appearances and names. Movesets need to be more memorable and associative with the wrestlers, not have every dude do a bunch of the same basic moves just to hear IWC smarks (5-10% of the WWE fanbase) talk about how great they are for doing all the basic wrestling moves in a match.

Aside from that, obviously storylines need a lot of work. The same guy can't keep going over for a year straight or even longer. These guys have to lose occaisionally to relieve the pressure of annoyance at their rampant winning and going over in every match and promo. This includes but isn't limited to: John Cena, CM Punk, Sheamus, and Big Show.

Imo, those are the key points WWE needs to look at. Make the show less generic, add in more stories to the mid card/around the titles, and stop putting over the top 2 guys on each show 99% of the time. That worked when there wasn't a show aired every week, but now it just gets unbearable.

Tomcat_1985 01-13-2013 03:54 AM

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Vince won't change anything, no matter how big the problems may be... Why? He doesn't need to... He has no real competition anymore and makes an ass-load of dough... And since the WWE is obviously not there to please the fans... or even give them what they demand, but to squeeze them dry like an orange... There won't be any changes at all... What for? He got Cena, Cena makes him money, end of story.

frankrott 01-13-2013 09:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 12561609)
i dont know why people who complain about the wwe usually bring up how long they were watching wrestling

no1 gives a fuck

Yeah this isn't a qualification at all. Just makes the person sound like a douche.

ChickMagnet12 01-13-2013 09:13 AM

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I don't think it's as doom and gloom as people make it out to be on here. Wrestling was as cringy at times in the AE only they were blessed with extremely charismatic people back then that made everything look good (if people on here weren't 6 years old when the Invasion story line was about, you'd agree).

Half of the problem is that it was so good that whatever follows such people will never compare to them. Just look at any up and coming superstar and look at any discussion about it, people say "the new X or Y from the attitude era". Punk was said to be the "new SCSA" last summer and that's probably led to the love/hate attitude that came upon him on here as a result as he could never become that no matter how hard he or anyone tries.

Even WWE do it, comparing Ziggler/AJ to Edge/Lita on a Facebook post. They and their fans need to stop living in the past and focus on the now. Ziggler/AJ should be the new Ziggler/AJ and not something we have seen before.

Marv95 01-13-2013 09:55 AM

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Quote:

I don't get OP's point about "something has to be done about the scripted nature of the show". wut? They're not going to fight for real, and if the show wasn't scripted, everyone's going to want to go over. Then nobody gets over.
I think he meant how the promos/skits feel over-scripted and blatantly fake presentation. That Dolph/Cena/AJ lockeroom skit? Why didn't the heels kick babyface Cena out? Why were they so scared of a tiny chick? Same with that Christmas episode.


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