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Old 01-07-2013, 03:48 PM   #51 (permalink)
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By the 3rd year, Kurt Angle had already had headlining card main event runs with Austin and Rock and was slated as the number 1b guy behind Brock Lesnar on Smackdown when Smackdown was doing more viewers than Raw and still on his way up. He also had high level programs with Hogan, HHH, and Undertaker where he would occasionally, actually win a match.

By the 3rd year, Bryan has never really headlined anything and is on his way down already playing 2nd fiddle to the young scrappy up-and-comer Kane and was positioned and regarded significantly lower than creative's vanity project AJ Lee. He'd struggle to be in Smackdown's top 5 guys from the company's standpoint as they clearly see Del Rio, Big Show, Sheamus, Orton, and likely Ryback several times higher in importance than him in a period where Smackdown is at its lowest level it's ever been at. He never really beats any of those guys in singles matches, and he always is the one getting pinned in tag matches because he's seen as disposable. Didn't matter if he was face, heel, or tweener.

And Angle got paid a lot more money because he was in a much higher position consistently than DA JAWB. You know, the difference between being a main eventer and a midcarder.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:55 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Angle was a top guy and legitimate credible main-eventer for years, not THE guy, but one of the top guys in the company, Bryan isn't that and he likely never will be.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:02 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Kurt Angle was a legit main event headliner.

Daniel Bryan is a mid card tag team rassler.
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Bryan is also the third most popular face on the roster, argubly the most respected worker in the company and a former World Heavyweight Champion. With this strong reputation as a worker, he can afford to have any gimmick he wants that doesn't offend or make him look like a complete joke. The Dazzler is perfect. He could wear bright attire and sorta be like a disillusioned rock star type.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:45 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Angle was defeating top talent within his first few years in the company. Bryan hasn't.
First off, let me just say that Kurt Angle is one of my all-time favorites. I can't begin to explain how awesome that character was to me, separate of his in-ring ability.

Prior to submitting Austin clean at No Mercy 2002 (I really loved Angle's face turn during the invasion, I went crazy when this all happened), Angle didn't have a clean victory over Rock/Austin/whomever. Even after that, he went back to being a heel who didn't get any clean wins. Granted, he did beat the Rock in dirty fashion (I'm 99% sure it was dirty) to win his first title at No Mercy 2001. It wasn't until 2003 when he submitted Lesnar at SummerSlam, 2005 when he submitted HBK at Mania, and then at No Way Out 2006 he pinned Undertaker in weird but clean fashion (Taker seemed to not have known he was being pinned).

I definitely think Angle was promoted more heavily early in his career than Bryan, but he wasn't treated as a top guy for a long time. And on top of that, being hugely successful early on isn't a prerequisite to being a big star. The vast majority of big stars took yeeeears to get big, and Bryan was the World Champion within just 2 yrs (debuted in 2010, right?), so he's certainly in position to be a big star.
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Why are people comparing Bryan to Angle anyway? Angle got a humongous push when he started off, winning titles left and right, going over the biggest names in the company (clean or not, doesn't matter, he looked good). Bryan didn't.
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I never said it was. Obviously I'm just giving my opinion, but there are a few facts in my post that I can highlight that Bryan didn't beat the caliber of talent that Angle did. Angle beat The Rock, Austin, Undertaker, they were the top talent in the business at the time, in the current WWE Bryan hasn't been any top guys (at least not cleanly like Angle did, countout and DQ victories over guys like Punk don't count). And because of those credible wins over top guys, among many other things that I listed, people could take Kurt Angle seriously at any moment, despite any comedy that he might do from time to time, unlike Bryan.
Going over the hall of pain and the big show is no small feat.

And we have to take into consideration that Bryan's career at the top of the card started a little over a year ago and his rise as a super over superstar has been a slow process, while Angle was slammed into the title scene since his arrival.

You can't use this argument yet, you have to wait a couple of years.
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Why are people comparing Bryan to Angle anyway? Angle got a humongous push when he started off, winning titles left and right, going over the biggest names in the company (clean or not, doesn't matter, he looked good). Bryan didn't.
Exactly. Decided to address the comparisons in this thread after a while of hearing people compare the two in other threads, and as a result in may of derailed this thread from the original topic, but I think this discussion is much better than the stupid Daniel ''The Dazzler'' Bryan topic.

I've heard people compare Bryan to Eddie and Benoit to, and while I don't really agree, it's more closer than the Bryan/Angle comparisons imo. Eddie/Benoit were respected midcarders for most of their careers, got a World Title reign, similar to Bryan now. But still, it's silly, why do people have to compare wrestlers all the time? Instead of thinking he should be the next Kurt Angle, people should just think of him as the 1st Daniel Bryan. As a Ziggler fan, I'm sick of hearing people compare him to Billy Gunn, or Mr. Perfect, I guess it's just the nature of wrestling fans.

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Going over the hall of pain and the big show is no small feat.
Oh yeah, one cage match victory on PPV that looked like a fluke, and a few pointless DQ/countout victories, great achievement. Bryan was booked like a joke during his title reign, even fans of his admit it, he never once pinned or submitted Mark Henry or Big Show, and the only people he could pin/submit where jobbers like Santino in the Chamber match.

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LOL at all the typical hater derailing the thread and the people taking their bait.
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Exactly. Decided to address the comparisons in this thread after a while of hearing people compare the two in other threads, and as a result in may of derailed this thread from the original topic, but I think this discussion is much better than the stupid Daniel ''The Dazzler'' Bryan topic.

I've heard people compare Bryan to Eddie and Benoit to, and while I don't really agree, it's more closer than the Bryan/Angle comparisons imo. Eddie/Benoit were respected midcarders for most of their careers, got a World Title reign, similar to Bryan now. But still, it's silly, why do people have to compare wrestlers all the time? Instead of thinking he should be the next Kurt Angle, people should just think of him as the 1st Daniel Bryan. As a Ziggler fan, I'm sick of hearing people compare him to Billy Gunn, or Mr. Perfect, I guess it's just the nature of wrestling fans.
It's the nature of fans period. A basketball player being compared to Michael Jordan, a band being compared to The Beatles, people always need a barometer for someone to see how their career will pan out. It really only happens like this relatively early in someone's career. I think when Bryan (Ziggler too for that matter) get a little more years and accomplishments under them, people will start evaluating them as their own individuals and stop comparing them.
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