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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

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One of them was a legitimate main eventer that was utilized as a corner stone of a brand for several years and the other is a legitmate midcarder filling a roster space with no real focus, promotion, or glorification of where his character goes as a face or heel.
And this. WWE knew Angle could be a top talent and they treated him that way for years, something Bryan thankfully will never be.

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Nobody else will take Bryan seriously if he doesn't take himself seriously. He seems to have embraced the comedic role in the wwe, probably figuring after all the years of putting his body through hell in ROH and the indies that adopting a comedy role means he can stay over and work powder puff matches while still getting paid more in one year than he made on the indies his whole career.
More like WWE doesn't take him seriously. And I don't blame them. That's why he's been a comedy character for quite a while now (and he looks like it will continue for the near future) and has been used to put over most of the roster. Regardless if you think Bryan should be or a legitimate main-eventer or not, he was never going to be THE guy.

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Except Bryan character's isn't serious at all. You're missing my point which is, people could take Angle 100% seriously when needed, despite the comedy he did, people can't do that with Bryan for numerous reasons that I listed.
By "serious, over-the-top, goofy, and fun" I meant that he's a goofy character that gets worked up easily.

The similarities are there. If people don't want to accept that because the booking is different, or because Bryan isn't as charismatic; fair enough. I don't really care whether he's compared to Kurt Angle or Mongo McMichael.

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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

I mean there are similarities between Gymini #2 and Goldberg, but one of them was treated like a real star attraction and the other as roster fodder.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?

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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

William Regal also made a tweet on this like a week or two ago. I hope it happens.

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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

The Dazzler goes from WHC to wrestling Heath Slater in a 50/50 match on some throwaway WWE show that nobody watches. How appropos.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

I love Daniel Bryan threads bc you get the same number of bozos who feel the need to express how they can't take him seriously, when it's been laughable to take the company seriously since John Cena has main events in late 2004.

And the same group of people cheer for Dolph Ziggler who is rehashing the aj storyline for the 50th time, was attacked by Cena in a bathroom stall, and had fake feces dumped on him by Cena. Yeah let's start taking this company seriously.
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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

I mean being Kane's keychain and coming out to Kane's entrance and Kane's music while being the weak link in Kane's tag team really is a step up.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

It might be worth noting that those of you debunking the Angle comparisons have the benefit of hindsight - "he's more legitimate as he won multiple championships, beat Undertaker, Shawn, etc, etc"

DB is in the beginning of his career - by my estimation the same place as Kurt during his "drink milk and goofy stage"

In 5 years time, looking back - who knows where DB will be? My guess is having beaten some of the top names cleanly - which will include Cena, Orton, Punk and a few others - but also losing a lot like Angle used to do - putting other guys over.

Remember - one of the reasons Angle left was that he wanted to be the "Guy" - and Vince told him that he will always be an "in-between" champion (Gutter-slut era)

Then he got fed up and tried the Shawn deal - which also backfired - and finally he left.

So, he wasn't always in the ME as some suggest.

IMO - KA and DB is a very valid comparison at this point in time
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Re: Daniel "The Dazzler" Bryan

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It might be worth noting that those of you debunking the Angle comparisons have the benefit of hindsight - "he's more legitimate as he won multiple championships, beat Undertaker, Shawn, etc, etc"

DB is in the beginning of his career - by my estimation the same place as Kurt during his "drink milk and goofy stage"
Angle was defeating top talent within his first few years in the company. Bryan hasn't.

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In 5 years time, looking back - who knows where DB will be? My guess is having beaten some of the top names cleanly - which will include Cena, Orton, Punk


Don't get your hopes up on that. Do you know how many times Cena has lost cleanly in his career since becoming a top guy? Very, very few, I think HBK, HHH, and The Rock were the only people who've beat him clean, and you think Daniel Bryan could?

Once again.

Bryan's will be a midcard jobber to the stars for the most of his career. He won't be beating top guys, he's the guy that will nearly always lose to the top guys. Hence the ''jobber to the stars'' title.

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Remember - one of the reasons Angle left was that he wanted to be the "Guy" - and Vince told him that he will always be an "in-between" champion (Gutter-slut era)

Then he got fed up and tried the Shawn deal - which also backfired - and finally he left.

So, he wasn't always in the ME as some suggest.

IMO - KA and DB is a very valid comparison at this point in time
Angle was a top guy and legitimate credible main-eventer for years, not THE guy, but one of the top guys in the company, Bryan isn't that and he likely never will be.
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