It's a new year so we decided a new ratings thread would be suitable. Discuss all ratings related topics in here please. Let the shit storm begin...again.
The failed every chance they had to make a star.Really is pathetic how there is only on true star on the show today. God forbid they take the time to make someone else look good for once. The casual audience doesn't give a fuck about the show outside of Cena, for the most part.
Austin wasn't the champion till 98 though. People don't usually a fck about you 'till you have the belt.Jesus christ.
These things take time. Austin wasn't doing 5.0 ratings in 97, i guess Vince should have tossed him aside then.
Give it time.
I think fans in general are tired of Cena being handed title shots and always winning main events. It becomes too predictable.I wonder if anyone but Cena was champ if the panic chord would have been pulled by now? You know cause going by most peoples logic, if the ratings are low it is the champs fault! That's all i was reading this time last year anyway.
Yep but I feel this post and the general meaning behind it will likely be ignored since the Punk bashers know it will be contradictory.Hey, everybody tore Punk a new asshole when he had trouble drawing in the 3 hour RAWs. Well,
Cena is the top champ in the company during 3 hour RAW and he's getting sub 3 rating RAWs with
sub 4 million viewers.
You have to look to the champ, right? Cena's has been the top guy since 2005 and he's getting the company's top billing
and has since the Rumble and it has done nothing for ratings and viewer numbers. Nothing.
It must be the thousandths time you've come to this thread just to say this. We get it, you don't work for WWE so you don't care about ratings.So why do people on here care about ratings?
Bolded = truthI think both the marks and haters are going overboard in this thread. On one hand, Punk should be doing big numbers considering the push that he has had but on the other hand, the show is all-around terrible so....
I just don't understand how Sheamus is a failure because he's not drawing at least 3.0's but Punk and Cena aren't failures when they can only draw 3.0's feuding with guys like Lesnar, Jericho, Rock, and Taker? Hmmm... that seems very hypocritical to me.
When Sheamus's last 4 opponents are Rock, Cena, Taker, and Jericho, then I will 100% agree with that notion if he still isn't bringing in the viewers. But, I just don't think that it's fair to blame guys like Orton, Bryan, and Sheamus for their ratings when they aren't feuding with part-timers but you excuse the ratings of two people who do nothing but feud with part-timers.
And since I blasted Punk when he was champion and had low ratings, now I'm calling Cena out on his. He needs to drop the belt because he isn't drawing well. If it wasn't for Mark Henry, then I wouldn't be able to handle his segments. It is obvious that Cena isn't motivated and doesn't care. His promos are garbage and Henry's performances only make this more evident.
In the segment-by-segment breakdown, the Vickie Guerrero segment with the ladder opened with a 2.7 quarter rating. Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus match gained 113,000 viewers, which is partially due to the weak start, but still a great gain considering the time slot. The backstage promo with Dolph and AJ and a Mark Henry video package lost 211,000 viewers. The Shield vs. Tons of Funk lost 87,000 viewers. John Cena calling out Mark Henry gained 497,000 viewers to a 3.1 rating in the 9PM segment. Chris Jericho vs. Curtis Axel lost 108,000 viewers, which isn't too bad considering what the previous segment gained. The end of the match, the World Title MITB promo, and the Wyatt Family vignette gained 7,000 viewers. Alberto Del Rio vs. Sin Cara with Dolph interfering lost another 212,000 viewers.
The Vickie Guerrero job evaluation gained 758,000 viewers to a 3.47 rating, which is obviously a very impressive showing. Kane vs. Christian with the Wyatt Family attack lost 259,000 viewers, which like above in the quarter after the 9PM segment, isn't too bad considering the gain the 10PM segment had. Ryback with Vickie in the back and the divas match lost 389,000 viewers. Despite the promotion and general assumption that the Vickie segment did the peak of the night, the real big story is actually the main event. CM Punk vs. Randy Orton gained a whopping 17,121,000 viewers. It should be noted that after Punk was sent into the ring post by Bryan and left the screen, they lost all but about 100,000 of that.
Poor attempt at trolling, try betterCM Punk vs. Randy Orton gained a whopping 17,121,000 viewers. It should be noted that after Punk was sent into the ring post by Bryan and left the screen, they lost all but about 100,000 of that.
Punk/Orton in the overrun did shit. Punk and Orton are one in the same, they need a bigger name to produce big time numbers, neither of them are able to do it on their own yet their marks are constantly in here acting like one or the other is some big shot. It's comical to say the least.
Why do you punk fans always bring up merchandise sales? Bryan has been outselling Punk for the past three months, so you agree Bryan is bigger draw than punk?This HappenStan guy has to be a troll. Punk is a proven, steady draw at this point. The evidence is the numbers he's been drawing for the past month.
You're really overrating Punk's push. He hasn't been a focal point the past two years, yeah he was champion, but that doesn't mean anything when the machine isn't really behind him. His real push started after his heel turn, before that he was getting his legs cut from him under him, playing second fiddle to Cena, and feuding with guys like Del Rio, Miz, and Ziggler.. All with no credibility at all. Do you think Cena would have drawn if he wasn't working with HHH and HBK during his mega push? The only person in position to give Punk credibility was HHH in 2011 and instead he pinned him in the middle of the ring.
Plus, his merch sells well which should be a testament to his ability to draw.
Why does Punk strike ire with some of you when a guy like Orton who was pushed significantly for nearly a decade has never proven to be a draw? (granted he's been depushed for quite sometime but even so he still has still been pushed for over eight years).
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Just saying
^ Essentially only RAW 1000 and Wrestlemania season numbers?Highest ratings
1) 6.02 million (July 23rd, 2012) - Raw 1000
2) 5.02 million (January 28th, 2013) - post-Royal Rumble
3) 5.02 million (March 4th, 2013) - 'Old School' Raw
4) 4.81 million (March 11th, 2013)
5) 4.81 million (February 4th, 2013)
6) 4.71 million (February 25th, 2013)
7) 4.66 million (February 18th, 2013) - post-Elimination Chamber
8) 4.62 million (March 25th, 2013)
9) 4.61 million (April 8th, 2013) - post-WrestleMania
10) 4.55 million (January 14th, 2013) - Raw 20th Anniversary
Comopletely agree. Here is the breakdown for the post SummerSlam show last year: http://www.wrestlingforum.com/11928988-post5449.htmlAll Key Storylines are drawing, quite obviously. End of story, all this 'mark wars' are completely unnecessary.
Sept 9th I believe. That gives them 2 more RAWs before the real competition begins....when does Football start, for obvious reasons of course.
Bryan gives him a win last week and behold the results.Holy crap, I overlooked Barrett/Miz gaining.
DAT BARRETT BARRAGE!
You really need to stop this because it's embarrassing and makes you look very silly which is unfortunate when you actually make a proper post about something. Cena 'and Punk' this, Cena 'and Punk' that. There is no Cena 'and Punk.'It'd be foolish to think at this point he would be able to pull off numbers like Rock and Lesnar. But when comparing him to Cena, as far as pulling good numbers go, he's not far off at all. Maybe just less consistent.
Well, I was strictly talking about numbers. It's not like Cena's been taking the world by storm as far as his segments go recently. I'm not wrong when I say ever since Punk's program with Rock, Cena and Punk have been pulling in very similar quarter numbers in their respective segments. I'm not saying Punk's on the same level as Cena right now, that's absurd. Cena's been the top dog for eight years. It'd be absolutely silly to put Punk up there after his two years at the top. But when you look at the roster, I don't think I'm wrong when I say that Cena and Punk are the two top dogs, and that there's a big gap between them, and the other guys. It's not me either, Jim Ross, Steve Austin and others have gone on record to say that these two are at the top with not many of their peers being even close. Right now it's debatable that Bryan's recent push is putting him on track to reaching that level, but he's just beginning.You really need to stop this because it's embarrassing and makes you look very silly which is unfortunate when you actually make a proper post about something. Cena 'and Punk' this, Cena 'and Punk' that. There is no Cena 'and Punk.'
It's Cena...
...then Punk in terms of star power.
Every time you make a post you're constantly lumping Punk in there with Cena when it's simply not the case. At all. John Cena is head and shoulders above CM Punk in star power that to keep putting Punk in there with him defeats the purpose of any serious or intelligent post you try to make because saying something like that is just stupid, there's no other word for it. There is a clear tier when it comes to star power in WWE. Cena and the part timers are in the first group and everybody else is in the second group and that includes Punk. Is he at the top of that group? Absolutely. But you're acting like Punk is on par with Cena and so far above everybody else and that is not true. You had me agreeing with everything you said until I got to this part where I lol'd.
You seem to have it in your head that because Punk is number 2 that that somehow means he's not that far behind Cena and that he's so far ahead of everybody else. Batista was number 2 to Cena. He was a far bigger star than CM Punk right now and he wasn't even close to touching Cena after 2005. In 2006 it was Edge. In 2008 it was Jeff Hardy. In 2009 it was Randy Orton. From 2011 it has been CM Punk. Just because you're number 2 it doesn't mean you're close to touching number 1. I seriously doubt you would say Batista, Edge, Hardy or Orton were "not far off at all" from John Cena in terms of star power but because it's Punk suddenly he is.
If you want to keep discussing this then really, you ought to leave the whole Cena 'and Punk' thing out of your arguments because nobody can take you seriously when you say things like that. It reeks of markdom which is exactly what it is. You want to have an objective discussion about numbers? Try being objective.