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Old 01-31-2013, 07:41 PM   #771 (permalink)
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Punk's arguably the biggest full-time draw WWE has right now, which isn't saying much, and it doesn't mean he's a good draw, but it's true. Cena clearly isn't the draw he used to be, as he's been doing poorly for the past couple of months now, and I'd say it's arguable Punk is a bigger draw right now (not ALL-TIME so don't get your panties in a bunch). Ryback's the only person that may be a stronger draw than Punk right now that's full-time, but right now WWE is just going through the motions with him going into EC and we probably won't see a spotlight back on him until after Wrestlemania, so who knows. Punk has been doing well with his numbers for a while now, all except last week in the 9PM slot, which is the same week Rock's 10PM segment lost viewers, and Cena underperformed in the overrun.

Obviously Rock and Brock are far bigger draws than Punk, but nobody's saying they aren't aside from just to troll Rock marks/Punk haters who would do, and have done the same to Punk marks whenever he underperforms, which isn't as often as some think. Rock is the primary reason this week's Raw did so well, as well as the main reason Raw has gotten back up to above a 3.0, and next week we'll see if Brock can keep a hold on most of the viewers. But I think some credit can be given to the fact Punk's 434 day title reign ended and people wanted to see his reaction, some credit of course goes to the advertised Heyman/Vince segment which kept viewers past Rock for that hour from leaving to decrease the average viewership to below 5,000,000, and hell, Cena winning the Rumble, despite his weakened drawing power, probably interested people as well to see who he would choose as his opponent. Plus I'm sure even if he's not a TV draw anymore, a PPV draw is another story and a big re-match with The Rock will do really well. But that's how a show should be. Have something for every hour to interest people, not to mention it was the fallout from the Rumble which helped things a lot.
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:58 AM   #772 (permalink)
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1 Week Rock is draw Another week Rock can't draw.

Dafuq is wrong with you all.
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I admit: I am a huuuge Punk mark, but he just cant draw shit wich is really sad. The day after he lost the belt, the rating skyrocketd.
Why would it be upsetting for you?
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The Rock got a standing ovation and is why people in Vegas came to that show. That buyrate will be successful and for some reason, this PART RIGHT HERE is being glossed over



You're completely out of your mind. CM Punk has been getting 2.5s..humilating 2.5s and some of the worst overruns in pro wrestling history. He did better with a Vince and Foley add on but that was it. Rock comes back and MAGICALLY we get back to the 3s and close to a 4.0 since the LAST TIME he was on Raw in Raw 1000. Get fucking real.

There is no proof whatsoever that anyone was checking for Punk's reign. If the Rock wasn't here and it was Punk vs Ziggler, you think people would be racing to see how everything came out. No. They would of checked the results on their phone and went to Hooters that night. Very simple.
First of all I don't think you understood my point at all since what you responded with didn't relate to it. A good part of my point actually relies on that The Rock is the clearly biggest draw so you probably need to read it again.

The last quote you respond to is definitely not from me but you didn't show who it was from, therefor making it look like something I've said. I hope that's just a mistake but do it properly next time.
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some of the CM Punk fans are crazy stupid son of bitch.
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You're completely out of your mind. CM Punk has been getting 2.5s..humilating 2.5s and some of the worst overruns in pro wrestling history. He did better with a Vince and Foley add on but that was it. Rock comes back and MAGICALLY we get back to the 3s and close to a 4.0 since the LAST TIME he was on Raw in Raw 1000. Get fucking real.

There is no proof whatsoever that anyone was checking for Punk's reign. If the Rock wasn't here and it was Punk vs Ziggler, you think people would be racing to see how everything came out. No. They would of checked the results on their phone and went to Hooters that night. Very simple.
It wasn't magically, it was the night after the Rumble, which always gets a big bump. People tuned in to see Punks reaction and we got an amazing promo. I give Rock some credit, but between the Rumble, Vince/Brock/Heyman, Cena picking the title at WM and then Punk, Rock really never even needed to show up.

Here are some of the best examples of the post-Rumble ratings bumps, for those who doubt it exists.

1998: 1/12/98 - 3.4;1/19/98 - 4.0
2000: 1/17/00 - 6.0;1/24/00 - 6.7
2001; 1/15/00 - 5.2; 1/22/01 - 5.6
2004: 1/19/04 - 3.6;1/26/04 - 4.0
2008: 1/21/08 - 3.5;1/28/08 - 3.9

Now, take into account we got Punk/Rock, Cena, then Brock/Vince/Heyman.

Oh, and Brock was given away on several forums, including this one, so you can't really play the "Brock wasn't advertised" card.

And as far as the title match goes, we all knew Rock was gonna win the belt, so the fact that he won probably wouldn't effect the ratings, even though Rock just being on the show might give it a slight nudge. However, Punk being on the show without a title for the first time in 435 days IS something new and interesting to see.
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I haven't bothered giving any effort to a ratings post in quite some time lol but I feel that this is something worth some attention. We'll be able to tell if Punk can cut it as a draw when this is all said and done and the RTWM is over. Punk has never been able to draw on his own. I'm talking TV here. All his best performing segments are with much bigger names and proven draws. Once he wasn't working with them, less people were interested in what he was doing. When working with guys with little to no star power or value to casuals, he has has some of the worst performing segments of all time. That is a fact and the numbers prove it.

Back to my point though. Along comes RAW 1000 and he gets mega exposure working with Rock but Rock left the next day, all the other big names left and nobody tuned in to watch CM Punk or any of the newer guys. That isn't the case any more because this wasn't a one shot deal. This time, Punk has been feuding with Rock and has been getting consistent exposure for the past few weeks. At Royal Rumble, all the people who bought it for Rock in a title match will have gotten a glimpse of CM Punk. The next night, all the people who tuned in, will have been exposed to CM Punk again. He was in 2 of the highest drawing segments of the night this week and 2 of the highest drawing segments in quite some time. That's a lot of eyeballs. The internet is always complaining about WWE not using their big names to give the spotlight to the smaller ones. Well, CM Punk is getting more exposure than any other un-made guy on the roster right now bar none by getting to work with Rock. By now, a lot more people should know who and what CM Punk is all about.

Working with Vince, HHH, Cena etc will get you noticed since they are big draws to the casual audience. Working with Rock is a different ballgame since he draws in an entire new pocket of the audience that Vince/HHH/Cena can't reach. Rock is as mainstream as it gets these days and CM Punk has been feuding with him for a month, culminating in a PPV match. He's now set to continue that feud for another month and have another PPV match.

The true test will be that when Rock is gone, when Taker/HHH/Lesnar etc are gone, has this feud and whatever feud he ends up having at Mania, has it been enough to get the casual audience to buy into CM Punk and to want to tune in for whatever he's doing on Raw be it working with The Rock and John Cena or working with Dolph Ziggler and Antonio Cesaro. Then we'll know. It isn't always about the wins and losses. It's about using the top names to give exposure and spotlight to the guys who need it. Rock vs. Punk is the perfect example of that. Punk doesn't look set to win this feud but a lot more people, that part of the audience who don't usually watch every week, that extra million plus people who are now tuning in because Rock is back and we're on the RTWM, they're all going to know a hell of a lot more about CM Punk than they did before. Whether he can cut it on his own after all this remains to be seen.
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It wasn't magically, it was the night after the Rumble, which always gets a big bump. People tuned in to see Punks reaction and we got an amazing promo. I give Rock some credit, but between the Rumble, Vince/Brock/Heyman, Cena picking the title at WM and then Punk, Rock really never even needed to show up.

Here are some of the best examples of the post-Rumble ratings bumps, for those who doubt it exists.

1998: 1/12/98 - 3.4;1/19/98 - 4.0
2000: 1/17/00 - 6.0;1/24/00 - 6.7
2001; 1/15/00 - 5.2; 1/22/01 - 5.6
2004: 1/19/04 - 3.6;1/26/04 - 4.0
2008: 1/21/08 - 3.5;1/28/08 - 3.9

Now, take into account we got Punk/Rock, Cena, then Brock/Vince/Heyman.

Oh, and Brock was given away on several forums, including this one, so you can't really play the "Brock wasn't advertised" card.

And as far as the title match goes, we all knew Rock was gonna win the belt, so the fact that he won probably wouldn't effect the ratings, even though Rock just being on the show might give it a slight nudge. However, Punk being on the show without a title for the first time in 435 days IS something new and interesting to see.

Raw ratings were like 2.7 since the summer until the Rock returned a few weeks ago and they haven't been below 3.0 since. Also, check the survivor series buyrate this year compared to last year's if you don't think Rock makes a difference
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CM Punk has been good since he turned heel in 2009. It never did big business. Even after the shoot, that PPV only did what? 20k more buys than the year before. Wade Barrett was drawing in 2010 as leader of Nexus. Had better numbers than Punk in 2011 but no one likes to talk about that because at the end of 2010, John Cena literally buried him.
Could be an indication to how (in)accurate the numbers we get are to predict who brings in the most money then. There's not much that's shown that Punk has made a ton of friends backstage, or been kissing ass, but he's still pushed now and was reported to be the one, together with Cena, that WWE felt they could depend on.
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Speaking of overrated, Orton is the only Rumble winner to get such a ratings DROP after winning the Rumble, a half point I believe. People on here brag about his drawing power, yet he was a ratings killer on Smackdown and his Rumble win 4 years ago drew no buzz at all.

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No. He wasn't. There was no concrete evidence anywhere. The last thing anyone heard on Lesnar was that he was gonna interfere in the Rock/Punk match. That was it. Everything else was speculation from a bunch of 16 year old angry Punk fans that wanted to see him retain.
People were posting Brock backstage before the show. That's concrete evidence.

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You all knew? When did "you all KNEW" ever translate into causal watchers? Do you have ANY FUCKING IDEA how huge the Rock is on a worldwide level? Are you kidding me? Even if this entire forum of 5,000 or more KNEW the Rock was gonna win, it wouldn't mean jack shit in Las Vegas with that crowd or the MILLIONS of watchers of the show who saw the report of the Rock winning the belt on ESPN or him being on ESPN the Friday before on "Events to Watch".
If there was any doubt, his promo before the match got rid of that. Rock winning was not even a shock, seeing Punk no longer the champ was. Hell, Rocks reactions are the same anyways whether he wins or loses.

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Punk without the title is new..yes..it is interesting. But that's what you wanted to say..you want to credit him and overpraise him and discredit the Rock because "everyone knew he was gonna win" which is bullshit because you wouldn't have raced to watch the Rumble or the aftermath anyway if he wasn't involved.
Yes, clearly you Rock marks never overexaggerate do you? And I ordered for Rock vs. Punk, not just Rock vs. anybody. Emphasis on the Punk part. I never even ordered the last two Rock ppvs, cared nothing for him and Cena.
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