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post #491 of 6575 (permalink) Old 01-24-2013, 02:17 AM
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This is what most people are failing to realise... the sad reality, is pro-wrestling is not as popular in this day and age. It's not like it was 10,15 years ago - the truth is, pro-wrestling is almost a dirty word these days... niche programming, at best, which is being reflected in the ratings.
This is not necessarily true. It is not that it is not as popular as it was before, it is just that the current wrestlers and the quality of the program simply aren't that good. Look at Raw 1000. Purely from a nostalgia standpoint they were able to draw in 7 million people and this was without Austin. Do you honestly think that if that same show had the legends coming back to do something meaningful, like starting feuds with the current stars, that people wouldn't have started back watching on a consistent basis? If you do then you are delusional. What all of the people who stopped watching wrestling but tuned into the Raw 1000 episode said, "Ho hum.. they are only here for one night, so I am only going to watch for one night. I don't care about these new guys." The only way to truly recapture those viewers was to start an Attitude Era vs PG Era feud that lasted at least a year long so the people could have a chance to get used to seeing the new guys.

But you absolutely cannot make them appear as if they are on the same level at first. This is why the current legend vs newcomer feuds are failing to bring in viewers and higher buyrates. You can't treat the legends as larger than life figures who get whole nights dedicated to their presence, main event over titles, and get title matches without having to do anything as equals to these PG Era stars. No one is buying that and it is just making them turn their heads in disgust watching their favorites being watered down to complete the illusion. These isolated legend vs PG Era feuds are only short term fixes on a serious problem that will really plague the WWE once the part timers disappear for good.

I really don't understand why Vince hasn't decided to do an Attitude Era vs. PG Era program. It is a merchandise goldmine. You could re-release some of the more popular Attitude Era shirts and even create Team Attitude Era and Team PG Era tees. Hell, the potential avenues the storyline could take would be innumerable as well as the matches we could get out of it. It truly is sad times for wrestling, when fans and ESPN writers have a greater grasp on the entertainment and marketing aspects of the business than the people who are running it.

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It isn't Punk it is who the company decides to push/market. If Ryder was given the belt and a 400+ day title run it would be the same.

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However I do think whoever was in that position it would be the same. It isn't Punk it is who the company decides to push/market. If Ryder was given the belt and a 400+ day title run it would be the same.
So you're saying anyone could do what Punk is doing. Is that is true, then why aren't they? Punk is as far removed from Vince's favorite look as you could be, pretty sure if someone like Ryder could do it, then he would be. What a ridiculous thing to say.


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Rock has already saved the ratings. What were the ratings before the Rock came back? They were hovering around 2.7 every week. Since he's been back they have gone up to 3.2 for both weeks.

Wow, getting that half point for a few weeks. You do realize they already got their guaranteed money from USA Network right? They aren't making more money from these ratings boosts. So exactly what did Rock 'save'?


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This is what most people are failing to realise... the sad reality, is pro-wrestling is not as popular in this day and age. It's not like it was 10,15 years ago - the truth is, pro-wrestling is almost a dirty word these days... niche programming, at best, which is being reflected in the ratings.
It's not a sad reality. Wrestling is better and more relevant than it was in years like 1995. Better roster, void of a few legends who were in their prime then, but still better. And most fans don't care how relevant it is anyways. They just wanna enjoy the show.
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So you're saying anyone could do what Punk is doing. Is that is true, then why aren't they? Punk is as far removed from Vince's favorite look as you could be, pretty sure if someone like Ryder could do it, then he would be. What a ridiculous thing to say.
The point was whoever is getting the most air time and in the main event for 400+ days will be the person with the most notable events of that period. It isn't saying Ryder is better then Punk it is saying whoever Vince put in that position would have the same effect. When Punk loses and someone else becomes champ they will then be the focus. That is just how it is.

And who knows maybe others could do it if they were given a chance? People like Sandow and Ziggler have improved so much in terms of on the mic and wrestling ability. The problem with WWE is it sticks to the formula. How can you create stars if you don't give them a chance?
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I think I'm going to go download 1995 and watch it so it's fresh in my mind and see if it makes today's crap any better.
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The point was whoever is getting the most air time and in the main event for 400+ days will be the person with the most notable events of that period. It isn't saying Ryder is better then Punk it is saying whoever Vince put in that position would have the same effect. When Punk loses and someone else becomes champ they will then be the focus. That is just how it is.

And who knows maybe others could do it if they were given a chance? People like Sandow and Ziggler have improved so much in terms of on the mic and wrestling ability. The problem with WWE is it sticks to the formula. How can you create stars if you don't give them a chance?
No worries, Sandow will have his day. That guy is destined for greatness. Not sure about Ziggler, he is really good but just doesn't seem main event worthy to me.
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Rock is on the show and they have 3.04 with no NFL. That shows how bad the show is and how no one cares.
and the great tna rating is?
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Doesn't the second hour usually get the most viewers? Thats the only time where people usually watch RAW anyways
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The worry for WWE is that even the first and second hour isnt doing so well. That the 3rd hour would do weak is expected, both WWE and USA Network expected it. Thats why they are paying less for the 3rd hour then the previous two.

For WWEs sake I hope they abandon the 3 hour concept after Wrestlemania. People are just getting burned out.
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No, because you simply can't appreciate how much he puts into his character and performance, and how he's perfected it.
There's something called opinions. Just because you worship Punk as god, doesn't mean others feel the same way and that doesn't make them "ignorant".
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