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Old 01-17-2013, 06:32 PM   #381 (permalink)
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Rock named three guys he wanted to work with at the Mania Press conference: Cena, lesnar and Taker. No mention of Punk. Only reason he wrestles Punk at Rumble is because Rock wants the title and Punk has been the champion. Like Gillberreturns said, it's the same scenario as with Miz two years ago.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:58 PM   #382 (permalink)
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Rock is facing Punk, therefore chances are Rock wanted to work with Punk, because Rock isn't forced into anything in WWE and if Rock didn't want to work with Punk, Punk wouldn't be champion right now.

As far as the whole AE and where Punk would fit in, here's the most truthful answer you'll find in this thread. NO ONE HAS ANY FUCKING IDEA! It's that simple. The correct answer isn't "He'd be a top heel in 1998" and it certainly isn't "LOL NO HE SUCKS COMPARED TO AUSTIN, ROCK, TAKER, HHH, FOLEY, ETC."

Now with the truth out of the way, let's get back to DEM OPINIONS! I think he would've had a nice place in the main event, especially with a guy like Austin as the top draw, under his Straight-Edge gimmick for at least the duration of the feud and could've become the most hated heel in the company not just for that time, but for all the AE and maybe even all time just off that. However I don't know how the gimmick would fare outside a Stone Cold feud, as with a guy like Rock (The Rock at that time, not The Rock of today), there isn't a lot Punk could play off of, and the same with Taker unless they do what they tried to have Punk do in 09 with Taker, which I don't think worked too well back in 09 and therefore wouldn't work so well in 99.

But yeah, outside of a feud with Austin, he would be pretty limited unless he caught on BIG during that feud and because of that feud, which could've happened. Besides that he'd probably go in and out of main event similar to Jericho and Angle in 2000-2001, and used to give upper midcarders a feud to transition them from the mid-card into the main event. But overall I don't see why he wouldn't be a staple in the Attitude Era in some way. His persona/aura has always screamed "ATTITUDE" for one reason or another. He would've had a nice place, but not in the place he's in now.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:37 PM   #383 (permalink)
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Rock is facing Punk, therefore chances are Rock wanted to work with Punk, because Rock isn't forced into anything in WWE and if Rock didn't want to work with Punk, Punk wouldn't be champion right now.

As far as the whole AE and where Punk would fit in, here's the most truthful answer you'll find in this thread. NO ONE HAS ANY FUCKING IDEA! It's that simple. The correct answer isn't "He'd be a top heel in 1998" and it certainly isn't "LOL NO HE SUCKS COMPARED TO AUSTIN, ROCK, TAKER, HHH, FOLEY, ETC."

Now with the truth out of the way, let's get back to DEM OPINIONS! I think he would've had a nice place in the main event, especially with a guy like Austin as the top draw, under his Straight-Edge gimmick for at least the duration of the feud and could've become the most hated heel in the company not just for that time, but for all the AE and maybe even all time just off that. However I don't know how the gimmick would fare outside a Stone Cold feud, as with a guy like Rock (The Rock at that time, not The Rock of today), there isn't a lot Punk could play off of, and the same with Taker unless they do what they tried to have Punk do in 09 with Taker, which I don't think worked too well back in 09 and therefore wouldn't work so well in 99.

But yeah, outside of a feud with Austin, he would be pretty limited unless he caught on BIG during that feud and because of that feud, which could've happened. Besides that he'd probably go in and out of main event similar to Jericho and Angle in 2000-2001, and used to give upper midcarders a feud to transition them from the mid-card into the main event. But overall I don't see why he wouldn't be a staple in the Attitude Era in some way. His persona/aura has always screamed "ATTITUDE" for one reason or another. He would've had a nice place, but not in the place he's in now.
Nobody is saying Rock didn't pick Punk I'm just saying it's not a big endorsement on Punk. Rock wanted to be champ and Punk is the most logical choice for him to go over. It's not like he came back with intentions to work with CM Punk. He's just the most logical choice and really the only realistic choice too. Sheamus is squared in as a face and Rock doesn't like Orton. He's not doing him any favors.

As far as him in the Attitude era goes. I think you're point on Punk's act not working on many stars says it all. You don't get championship runs to work with one person. WWF had a whole list of guys that had great feuds with Austin. His act would of had to been extremely successful in the mid cards and then he would have been promoted to the main event scene. I just don't see him climbing that ladder especially if his straight edge personality kept him from roiding back in a time when you had to roid to look believable. It's not like he can throw that back in someone's face. Someone calls him weak and throws a roiding jab he's fired.
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ADR/Bigshow/Vince and Miz/Flair/Cesaro had better rating than Rock/Punk? Thats interesting.

And LOL at a 25 second match losing over million viewers
No one cares for Punk, it's time to send him back to the midcard where he can complain about Tyson Kidd and Brodus Clay plus shoot on people.
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Punk wouldn't have even made it past Saturday Shotgun back in the AE. The mic work there was so politically incorrect that they wouldn't have any trouble making fun of Punk like a backyard bully would do to a scrawny looking kid.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:38 AM   #386 (permalink)
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Damn, Attitude Era way over-hyped. It was the best era in terms of business. In terms of entertainment quality, it had just as much stupid shit as any other era. Mae Young giving birth to a hand? And BTW, that hand was fathered by none other than Mark "Ratings" Henry. Remember sexual chocolate? They also had a transsexual hold the intercontinental title, and won it in like a home-maker's kitchen cookout match (?) or something stupid like that. We also had vampires. And it wasn't even subtle, like with Undertaker being supernatural, this was straight out fangs and blood. BTW, that was when Edge and Christian first started getting over. We also got Mick Foley's worst gimmick- Dude Love. Kane was supposed to be burned on half his body and talked through a vibrator device. We also had random streaking from hairy fat-ass ugly men. We had Pat Patterson's shit-stained underwear as a finisher. Sockpuppets as a finisher (pro-wrestlers don't know how to bite?). Terry Funk wearing pantyhose over his head on a regular basis. Etc. Etc.

Sorry, but the Attitude Era was not untouchable. It was right time, right place. And all of those "larger than life" characters, all three of them (Rock, Austin, Taker. It. Period.) as well as the other top talent of the time were all invisible mid-carders for years prior to that point who no one saw any main event potential in. Blue Bloods? Chip & Dale dancers? Hollywood Blondes & Ring Masters? "Chia-pet head"s?

People talk about what Punk would have been like in the Attitude Era. Hell, what would any of those alleged "untouchables" of the AE have been like today? I don't mean bringing them back FROM the AE, like the case with the Rock right now, after he's already been transfigured like Christ. I mean if we took Chia-pet head and threw him into the scene right now and try to get over his new "Rock" gimmick? Could he still have gotten away with "Cookie Puss" and telling another man to "strip naked"? Would he need a Cena/Sheamus force-em-down-our-throat push to get that crap over today, or would it have the natural, unburiable Bryan appeal? It would be interesting to see. Or actually, no it wouldn't, since most of today's product is not interesting to see, at all.

Context.
Bury a diamond in a pile of shit or put it on display in a fine jewelry store- in which context is it more likely to get noticed?

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I just don't see him climbing that ladder especially if his straight edge personality kept him from roiding back in a time when you had to roid to look believable.
Right, because Foley became WWE Champ 3 times in the AE by being all roided up. Same way Jericho got over and into the main event scene.
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Punk in the attitude Era ?

Would he be used better in the Attitude Era is a much better question....
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Is there any chance of dolph cashing in his Money in the Bank contract on Rock/Punk ?
No.

He can only use the briefcase to cash in for the World Heavyweight championship.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:28 AM   #389 (permalink)
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Punk in the attitude Era ?

Would he be used better in the Attitude Era is a much better question....


Punk would have been ignored during attitude era because of his size. I could have seen him competed for European title and Hardcore title, maybe for tag team title picture as well.

There was just too many larger than life characters back then. Upper Mid-carder at most.
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Punk didn't have 'the look' to make it in the attitude era, back then all the top stars were big guys that looked intimidating, so there was no place for dweebs like Punk. Besides, back in the attitude era the WWE wouldn't have allowed people to go out and 'shoot' in every promo, instead wrestlers had to make promos that were based in kayfabe (the way it should be), that alone would leave Punk with no promo material.
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