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Old 03-14-2013, 11:12 PM   #1651 (permalink)
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A 326,000 gain for the Lesnar segment ain't all that impressive, considering Punk pulled in almost a 100,000 more by himself the other week. Besides, I'd put that down to people wanting to see the NAO, and Lesnar wasn't even advertised for that segment.

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Nope. Video packages always lose viewers. IIRC, the only time I can remember a video package gaining viewers was one of the HHH/Taker video packages for either the 27 or 28 match one week when they didn't appear. Everybody was surprised that it gained. Why? Because for the most part, video packages usually lose a lot of viewers. Rock/Cena only losing 10k is a good result in my book.

People still complaining about Rock/Punk not happening need to realize that Rock coming back was always to put over John Cena. Whether that's right or wrong is up to you but CM Punk was never in the discussion and he's lucky he got to even work with him at all really. I think it's great that he did and they shared that spotlight to get extra eyeballs on him. But Rock putting over Cena is ultimately the right thing to do. Cena is THE guy, not CM Punk, and therefore when a previous GUY comes back, it's only right that the current GUY go over him. Rock got his win and moment in Miami and that's fine. Now it's Cena's turn. I'm starting to believe the poster on here who said that after Mania 29 is over, WWE are going to start promoting Cena as the GOAT. I think they are. Again, whether you agree or disagree is up to you but in this instance, Cena, as the only representative of this and his era, should be going over a representative of the previous era. It's only right. Were Punk or Orton or whoever else in Cena's spot I'd be saying the exact same thing. That's just the way it works.
It may have escaped your notice, but Cena only remains as THE GUY, because of their refusal to allow anybody else the opportunity to be THE GUY... and when someone gets too close and threatens to usurp Cena, they put a stop to it - just like they did with Punk.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:15 PM   #1652 (permalink)
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A 326,000 gain for the Lesnar segment ain't all that impressive, considering Punk pulled in almost a 100,000 more by himself the other week. Besides, I'd put that down to people wanting to see the NAO, and Lesnar wasn't even advertised for that segment.


It may have escaped your notice, but Cena only remains as THE GUY, because of their refusal to allow anybody else the opportunity to be THE GUY... and when someone gets too close and threatens to usurp Cena, they put a stop to it - just like they did with Punk.
If your admitting they do that, then who else besides Punk did they stop from overtaking " The Guy" role.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:35 PM   #1653 (permalink)
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Cena only remains as THE GUY, because of their refusal to allow anybody else the opportunity to be THE GUY... and when someone gets too close and threatens to usurp Cena, they put a stop to it - just like they did with Punk.
This to the 10000 degree. People always claim Cena would turn if they was someone who could take his spot but Punk proved that not to be true. He was far more over then Cena has ever been in his life and WWE get the brilliant idea to kill his momentum cuz he doesnt fit the mold of what the WWE wants to force down our throat. No Cena fan can justify or make excuses why it was okay for them to kill Punk like that, only reason is cuz they were scared he would be bigger than Cena.
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I honestly believe that if Randy Orton didn't get the CM Punk treatment in his 2010 title reign, he could have easily surpassed Cena as face of the company. Orton was so over in all demographics, and every time he and Cena had an encounter, Orton would get the louder pop. Unfortunately for him, Cena was the guy that got the main event storyline, while Orton had to play second/third fiddle to Cena for no reason.
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Shut up with that blasphemy. People only care about someone when Cena is there to bury them.
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:11 AM   #1656 (permalink)
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The 9 PM quarter started off (and was advertised) as Rhodes Scholars vs. New Age Outlaws, THEN Brock Lesnar came out. Wasn't announced or anything for that quarter. Still a good number. I'm not sure if many people expected Lesnar at that point.
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No, I meant it doesn't matter to me, I would love the Shield no matter what rating they got. But it is really good that they lost so little, considering the usual drop.
Oh it doesn't matter to me either. I like what I like whether it gains a million or loses a million. I just think it's good for The Shield angle in general.

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A 326,000 gain for the Lesnar segment ain't all that impressive, considering Punk pulled in almost a 100,000 more by himself the other week. Besides, I'd put that down to people wanting to see the NAO, and Lesnar wasn't even advertised for that segment.

It may have escaped your notice, but Cena only remains as THE GUY, because of their refusal to allow anybody else the opportunity to be THE GUY... and when someone gets too close and threatens to usurp Cena, they put a stop to it - just like they did with Punk.
Are you actually being serious with this shit? Wait, of course you are, you're a blind mark. Jesus. I hate to break it to you but Brock Lesnar always has been and most likely always will be a bigger draw than CM Punk. Punk can't cure cancer or bring peace to the middle east either btw. Shocking, I know, but it's true.

So if that's the case then they stopped Orton becoming the guy too, right? Don't be silly. It takes more than pops and selling a few t-shirts to take the top spot. Orton couldn't do it in 2010 and Punk couldn't do it in 2011 either despite both of them having red hot babyface runs. You keep believing what you want to believe though. At the very least your posts are good for a laugh.
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I actually wanna know wether Sandow, Rhodes and NAO had any pull in that 300k number.
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So if that's the case then they stopped Orton becoming the guy too, right? Don't be silly. It takes more than pops and selling a few t-shirts to take the top spot. Orton couldn't do it in 2010 and Punk couldn't do it in 2011 either despite both of them having red hot babyface runs. You keep believing what you want to believe though. At the very least your posts are good for a laugh.
Like what? Superman booking, backstage allies, countless title reigns? Fair enough Cena deserved his place at the top, but he's been there for a long, long time, and I think there is a legitimate argument for him staying there because they won't allow anyone to take his place.

With Punk, maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Personally I think they had a chance with the MITB storyline, but blew it. HHH going corporate heel would have been interesting. Maybe they genuinely didn't think something like that was the best thing to do, or maybe they didn't like the thought of Punk being the top guy, so purposefully stifled his momentum and robbed him of a potentially brilliant storyline and certain stardom. As of now, as much as I'd like to see it, I can't see Punk ever becoming a draw on Cena's level.

Orton lacks mic skills and fucks up all the time, so he was never going to topple Cena.

The other candidate for me in terms of being knocked back down when they were becoming a threat to Cena, is Ryback. Gaining viewers in his segments, massively over, popping a big buyrate at HIAC. Then has his momentum killed by being jobbed out ppv after ppv. Why? Maybe Cena had something to do with it. It could be a load of bullshit, but I think there's definitely an argument to be had there.
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Like what? Superman booking, backstage allies, countless title reigns? Fair enough Cena deserved his place at the top, but he's been there for a long, long time, and I think there is a legitimate argument for him staying there because they won't allow anyone to take his place.

With Punk, maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Personally I think they had a chance with the MITB storyline, but blew it. HHH going corporate heel would have been interesting. Maybe they genuinely didn't think something like that was the best thing to do, or maybe they didn't like the thought of Punk being the top guy, so purposefully stifled his momentum and robbed him of a potentially brilliant storyline and certain stardom. As of now, as much as I'd like to see it, I can't see Punk ever becoming a draw on Cena's level.

Orton lacks mic skills and fucks up all the time, so he was never going to topple Cena.

The other candidate for me in terms of being knocked back down when they were becoming a threat to Cena, is Ryback. Gaining viewers in his segments, massively over, popping a big buyrate at HIAC. Then has his momentum killed by being jobbed out ppv after ppv. Why? Maybe Cena had something to do with it. It could be a load of bullshit, but I think there's definitely an argument to be had there.
He's been there so long because nobody has been able to knock him off. Rock and Austin left while still at their peak or at the very least just at the tipping point where they were starting to dwindle. Guaranteed had they both stuck around they would have remained at the top just like Cena has all these years. The difference between Rock and Austin at the top was the fact that they had a whole host of supporting characters. Up until 2010, Cena had that too but then in one fell swoop they all left and the gap between Cena and the rest of the roster became even more apparent.

HHH didn't turn heel because the plan was HHH/Taker at Mania 28 and they stuck to it. If HHH goes heel, Undertaker doesn't have a match for Wrestlemania. That's what took precedence over a HHH heel turn if anything and it makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Punk has hardly had his momentum stifled. The man has just come off the longest WWE title reign for the past 25 years. How that equates to somebody being held back is beyond me. He hasn't always gone over but he's had the opportunity to work with the biggest name in wrestling atm in Rock and is now with Taker. None of the other guys are getting pushes like that. They're on board with Punk and have been ever since he signed his new contract. All this being held back shit is a myth concocted by his marks who don't seem to be able to grasp realities. They maybe haven't gone balls to the wall with him but they certainly haven't held him back either.

There's being a huge star and then there's being the face of all things WWE. That's what John Cena is. He's the guy with his likeness plastered all over everything. He's the guy they send out to represent them at functions and events. He's the guy who epitomises what they want in their ultimate WWE star. I don't know how many times it needs to be said but CM Punk isn't. His look isn't, his attitude isn't, his character isn't. Not everybody can be what Cena is. It's the entire Cena package that Vince loves and guess what? It works. Half the fans may hate his guts but the other half love him. The corporate sponsors love him. John Cena, the brand, makes money. Being the face of the company has a lot more to do with what you see on TV every week. It never has just been about being over, getting pops and selling some shirts. If that was the case we would have seen the back of Cena at the top a long time ago. If you can't get that, then there's nothing else that can be said to get through to you.

EDIT - And after posting all that I just saw your signature. What a brilliant waste of time that post will turn out to be.
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