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Re: Vince & WWE Doing Same Things WCW Is Chastised For

He has been doing this before there was a WCW.
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Re: The end of Nitro vs RAW: A Comparison

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WCW wasn't making 185K for the third hour of Raw. No where near, but the third hour is actually what kept WCW on TNT as long as it was.
I believe it was the 1st hour that drew the revenue, same as RAW.
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Re: Vince & WWE Doing Same Things WCW Is Chastised For

WWE has tried to build new stars. Punk has been given a John Cena-level push for a year and a half and it's still going. Sheamus has been given and is still on a megastar push. Barret came into the WWE fueding with and getting the better of Cena. Bryan has been pushed enough to at least not be a random jobber anymore. Sandow has been given a nice midcard push.

Cesaro is in an upper midcard push right now. Sin Cara was pushed a lot until recently. Ziggler is being pushed now. Del Rio's been given a very hard push. The Shield is being given a huge push too. Not quite NWO-level, but still pretty damn strong. AJ Lee is getting some insane, gargantuan diva push that is completely unprecedented. It deserves it's own definition: The AJ push.

WWE does build guys. A lot of them simply fail at it (Barret, Sin Cara, Riley, Swagger, etc).

Better yet (for your complaint, not better for the show), WWE has held multiple big stars back in order to give all that time and attention to the new guys. Cena's had his worst year ever in terms of fued and PPV wins. His air time has been significantly reduced too and given straight to CM Punk. Orton's been borderline buried this year. Kane's been completely out of the picture for most of the year 'til now and his push is mild. Big Show and sorta of Cena are the only "old guys" being really pushed in a significant way right now.


They have to bring in new guys to spice it up because the guys they have still aren't capable of carrying the show by themselves yet. WWE has been pretty boring whenever they haven't brought people back. Not a good sign. And it's reflective of the wrestlers, not the booking. The booking doesn't seem that shitty when old guys come back. . .because they make the booking work.
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Re: Vince & WWE Doing Same Things WCW Is Chastised For

In sports, every genius loses there ability to stay relevant or keep going if that makes sense. Al Davis was an amazing team owner back in the 70's/80s but the last 10 years of his run with the raiders were horrible. The thing is, he was pretty much doing what he always did but it just got stale. Vince's formula is just getting stale. I think its time he steps down and as much as I hate to say it, have Trips take over because I believe Triple H doesnt believe in the business and can find ways to bring it back up.

The way wwe has tried creating new stars has fallen flat over the last few years. Yeah CM Punk has had this long title reign, but hes not a household name because of it. Wrestling fans know him but no one else does. He will just be the guy who drops the belt to The Rock. Ryback has star potential but hes gotta do something huge quick to keep his momentum going. WWE has had a few guys who go on this roll and they drop the ball with them because there afraid to push them to fast. Wade Barrett was on fire during his feud with Orton and couldve been world champion, but the wwe didnt feel like he was ready so they held him back and I bet they still regret it.

I prefer the business having a guy being groomed for the title but sometimes you gotta strike while the iron is hot. Ryback is a great example of this. When wwe found out Punk was hurt, they shouldve not told anyone and had Ryback challange Punk on raw and take the title off of him. How huge would that have been? It wouldve shocked everyone. To think since August we were getting Rock vs Punk and now its Rock vs Ryback. Then you have Ryback go over Rock.


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Vince is pretty much doing the same things taht got him on top, difference is time has now passed him by.
WWE needs to strike while the Iron is hot with stars, and not "wait it out"
Rock shouldnt win the title unless hes dropping it to Ryback.
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Re: The end of Nitro vs RAW: A Comparison

There's only one guy responsible for all these WWE = WCW 2000/Russo tantrums being thrown around recently..........






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Re: The end of Nitro vs RAW: A Comparison

In other words they are clutching at as many straws as possible- the difference is RAW knows it can get away with it in the same way as Coca Cola printing 'You poor misguided fools fell for our plan for world domination at the expense of your health' on their bottles probably wouldn't be enough to topple their empire.

Layla, Daffney, Beth Phoenix. What more could a guy want?
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Re: The end of Nitro vs RAW: A Comparison

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One of the main reasons behind the end of Nitro was to do with the business side of things which were awful for WCW at the time. WWE are doing very good business if you look at the grand scheme of things and are far from going out of business.
ironically i would check raws rating in late 2006, see how low they got around chritmas, belived that this would be the begining of the end of them since that was the year i finally saw this company that once was one of the columns of my life in its true colours

boy, back then i had a lot more to learn about this f'ed up world i call home
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the biggest difference. WCW wasn't making 185K for the third hour of Raw. No where near, but the third hour is actually what kept WCW on TNT as long as it was. Once they cut the third hour, the company was loosing near 3 million a year in advertising income.

almost all of OP's comparisons are stretches, and that is being nice about it.
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This pretty much backs up all the issues you brought up OP.

All the points the OP brought are very truth and brings up valid points however the WWE is still making money. I don't know much history of WCW, but I am assuming they had all those issues and were making negative numbers. Until the WWE starts losing money we will know they are in serious trouble. Vince is out of touch and only cares about making money.
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Re: The end of Nitro vs RAW: A Comparison

Only thing I got from this, is you think D-Bryan was ever as over as Goldberg was in his prime. Not comparable AT ALL. Goldberg was the most over individual in the company at the time. Bryan has never been THE MOST over.
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Re: The end of Nitro vs RAW: A Comparison

15) Nitro moves the crowd cameraside. RAW moves the crowd cameraside.

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