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post #31 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 01:30 PM
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I like WWE right now. CM Punk is the longest reigning champion in 25 years. Think about that. If someone would have said that a couple years ago, they would have been laughed out of the building. CM Punks heel run has been just as good as Shawns when Shawn was a heel champ. His stuff with Lawler was the best stuff I've seen on Raw in a very VERY long time. You guys that are hating on his run are just not getting it I guess.

DB/Kane are great. They're funny. They're entertaining. They're good wrestlers. They've put the spotlight on the tag team titles. I don't see what's not to like about that.
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Originally Posted by Walk-In View Post
This is as bad as I have ever seen WWE be & I have been watching them since 1987. Yes, despite what others will say, that does include years like 1995 as well.

It's not even necessarily that everything sucks. It's that nothing matters. Wins & Losses don't matter. Title wins & title changes don't matter. No one has a gimmick, no one has any heat, no ones character seems to have a direction, a goal, a purpose or a gimmick. It's just a bunch of people trying to kill time to get through each show. What is The Miz's gimmick? What is Randy Orton's gimmick? What is Kofi Kingston's gimmick? They're all just guys, not doing anything but taking up time. The Pay-Per-Views are overpriced & completely forgettable. I can't tell you the card of the last ten Wrestlemanias, I can't even remember most of the main events. It's because none of it matters. Edge was forced to retire. Eddie is dead. Benoit is dead. Shawn Michaels retired. Kurt Angle left. All the top guys that they used on 'Mania, sans Cena, are gone.

There are so many problems right now that I can't even narrow them down to decide which ones are the "big" ones worthy of talking about. After awhile, all of the "little" problems start to add up too. When compounded with the big, glaring faults, it gets pretty damn frustrating.

To me, something that not a lot of people seem to be acknowledging, is that bringing guys like The Rock, The Undertaker, Brock Lesnar & Triple H back is just making things worse. It's very short-sighted & after Wrestlemania, we're going to be stuck with the same old shit when those guys all take off again. This is the time when they need to be establishing new guys as top guys. All the guys that they tried to build up the last several years, as previously mentioned, are gone. So instead of making more guys, now WWE are just bringing back guys from even before them!

The writing is terrible. Everything, including promos, is over scripted. The camera angles are bad. The painful slow-motion zoom in on faces to get some BS "moment" is terrible (and we're approaching the Road to Wrestlemania so get ready for it). On-air authority figures have been played out for about eight years now or so & they're still a crutch for WWE. There's no reason for Smackdown to even exist anymore, so instead WWE add another hour on Monday and two more shows during the week.

Whenever something DOES seem to work, whenever the fans latch onto something & try to make it their own, WWE shoves it down our throats. It becomes uncool. It becomes a WWE creation instead of something the fans liked. AJ was doing well for herself. Then she became the entire focus of all the feuds on every show & took up more TV time than all the champions combined. The "Yes!" chants were over. So they played it into the ground, slapped it on a T-shirt, gave it to AJ, had guys like Cena acknowledge it in-ring & just completely killed it. Zack Ryder was over & Long Island was going nuts for him. WWE didn't put him on the show at all. Heaven forbid they go against the script & cut some other BS segment & let him go out there to get that monster ovation. Instead, they waited a few weeks for him to cool off, then sent him out there in like Iowa or some shit, tried to shove him down the throat of live crowds that didn't give a fuck & then wondered why he wasn't over.

The tag division sucks. The Divas suck. The midcard sucks. There's no reason to care about anyone or anything! Even-stevens booking with wins/losses that have no consequences or repercussions.

It feels like WWE are purposely sabotaging themselves.

Where are the characters that are relatable? Or someone that, as fans, we have a reason to get emotionally invested in? Whatever happened to caring about the outcome of a match? Why have WWE killed off all of their gimmick matches to the point that they don't matter anymore?

Why should I care about who wins the Royal Rumble? Because they get a title shot? Who gives a fuck? All you have to do is ASK for a title shot & you get one. Ask Batista. Or Christian. Or Cena. You don't have to earn anything anymore, so why does it matter? There's no suspense or emotion.
So refreshing to see a constructive post on here..


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post #33 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 02:31 PM
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I agree with this completely. I think they've got a great crop of guys coming up. I was into WWE from 2000-2003, then 2011-now (and a little bit in between, but not really). I don't like the lack of Austin/Rock/Taker/Angle, but I swear to G-d, if people watched a random episode of Raw in 2000, they would realize that 80 percent of the product was crap, it was just a great class of main eventers and mid-carders that were great at what they did.

WHAT? 2000 RAW was fucking amazing. Jesus what a terrible year to call shit if you want to call an A.E year shit call 1999 shit. How the hell can you say 2000 sucked?
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post #34 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 02:39 PM
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A few excellent points are brought up by the OP, I was expecting to open this and someone to just mention the 'PG era' and leave it at that. The CM Punk thing I completely agree with. Although I don't think he'd ever of been the top face of the WWE, I'm very glad he's turned heel. He is the best heel in the world in any wrestling organization at the moment. And it makes me sick to see The Rock turn up and ruin all his progress, shame on you Dwayne. The Bryan and Kane thing I have to agree with, except repackaging Bryan. Do you remember how Angle was the milk swilling, joker guy in the 2000's? Well, Bryan's your modern day equivalent. I like him how he is, he just needs to brake away from Kane and have a WWE belt strapped around him. All the WWE needs for me is a new creative team of writers and better story lines that intertwine with each other! It's almost like they just keep all their half decent story lines untill Wrestlemania and for the rest of the year it's just filler. There's nothing wrong with the PG of the product, just how shit the product actually is, regardless of rating.
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Is this why you haven't been posting much lately Kentonbomb? Well at least some good came out of it...

In all seriousness though, I can see where you're coming from - and I agree with what you say regarding Punk. I don't want Punk's reign ended at the Rumble just so they can do Cena/Rock again at Mania. It should be Punk/Cena/Rock in a triple threat at Mania with Punk walking into to Mania as a 500+ day Champion. With the year Punk's had, he shouldn't be stuck in some midcard match on the biggest show of the year.

And I agree on Team Hell No. I'm not a fan of them, but I can see that they've turned Bryan into a comedy joke and totally milked this ''YES/NO'' crap to the point where it's unbearable now.
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post #36 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 03:44 PM
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I don't get why people watch something they think sucks.

It would be like me watching Honey Boo Boo knowing I'm not gonna like it. It just seems like a giant waste of time.

Does this forum ever enjoy anything?
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post #37 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRhymez View Post
I don't get why people watch something they think sucks.

It would be like me watching Honey Boo Boo knowing I'm not gonna like it. It just seems like a giant waste of time.

Does this forum ever enjoy anything?

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No, people enjoy it so it's fair play. The people here are so concerned about "putting over young stars" that they forget to enjoy the moment while it's there. If there's star power problem in the future, it's WWE's concern and not yours, stop worrying so much about that and just enjoy the show instead. No wonder WWE can never win with everyone because most are just looking for some super technical explanation on why something was not done right.
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post #38 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 04:43 PM
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Your thoughts.
My thoughts? My thoughts are that why do you have to create a "I Hate WWE" topic when there's already 10,000 of them.

Just kidding. On a serious note, I'm not extremely satisfied with today's product, but product is good enough to where I can enjoy the show. It's not as terrible as you, Walk-In or others make it to be. WWE in 2012 had its ups and downs, but overall it was a decent year.

I enjoy what WWE are doing with Team Hell No. They are one of the reasons why the Tag Team Division was able to build from the disastrous and lackluster Tag Team Division they had in 2011. It doesn't matter if some smarks doesn't think the comedy of Team Hell No is funny. Team Hell No is over with the crowd, they bring lots of value to the tag team division, and they have shown that they can be taken seriously like in the 6 Man Tag Team TLC Match against The Shield. One of the huge positives about 2012 that people forget to mention is that the Tag Team Divison is watchable again. Prime Time Players is a team that has lots of potential to become big in 2013. Both members have lots of charisma, and they function well together as team, like most teams in the division. Rhodes Scholars is already a team that has established themselves as one of the main teams in the division, since they were both legit single competitors in the WWE before they formed into a team. Other teams that has some possible potential in the divison are The Usos, Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel, and 3MB. WWE has done a really good job with the tag teams this year.

Another success for WWE this year is the rise of Ryback. You can tell that WWE invested a lot into Ryback. They want him to become one of the stars of the company, and Ryback certainly has the potential to do it. When Ryback made his return after his injury, I knew that he could easily be made into star, but he could easily be a flop as well. So far, he's on the road to becoming a star. He certainly has the look, he's over with crowd, which is probably one of the most important things you have to do to become successful in wrestling, and he has passable in ring and mic skills. Right now, Ryback has to get comfortable to where his position is right now, and where he's gonna go from there because once Ryback is able to find his comfort zone, he should improve over time.

One of the things I don't like about WWE this year is moving Raw to three hours. I think Raw would be fantastic right now if it stayed at two hours, but I can get used to it being three hours long. If WWE is going to keep Raw at three hours, then they have to utilize the time that they have, which is another problem that they have. Instead of showing recaps, touts, and commercial breaks, they can use this time build up the midcard. They've already showcased the midcard in wrestling match, now they have to incorporate them into storylines. For about the past couple of years, there has been a severe lack in storylines in the midcard division. It seems that WWE only tends to focus on the main event stories, then if they have time, they will throw together a upper midcarder storyline. While the focus should be on the main event, WWE also has to spend time to build up the midcard. With a successful midcard, WWE will have more star power on their roster. This is one of the reasons why the Attitude Era was great, and why Smackdown in the last decade was always entertaining. Gimmicks aren't really necessary in this era. We are past the era where every wrestler needs a gimmick to become successful. That statement died after the end of the Attitude Era. All you need in this era is good in ring and mic skills to become successful.

Just my two cents on today's product.

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post #39 of 54 (permalink) Old 01-04-2013, 05:54 PM
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Re: I hate WWE right now.

Originally Posted by Bebe View Post
]It turns my stomach that CM Punk''s 400+ day title reign has all been leading up to this
It turns my stomach he even got that reign. No long-term champ since Diesel has deserved it less imo.

Team Hell No
This team needs to end
They're fine to me. There isn't enough main event to go around, so it's either this or jobbing to the stars for those two. Which do you prefer? I'm glad Bryan isn't jobbing all the time anymore and has a title. Even if it's the tag title.

Daniel Bryan... where do I start? This guy is the best technical wrestler in WWE history
lol. Did you really go back and look at every technical wrestler in WWE history, compare and contrast, then say hmmm yes, Daniel Bryan is indeed better than everyone else? I seriously doubt it because there's no way you could've come to that conclusion. Best technical wrestler in WWE now? Sure, maybe. In WWE history? No way. I like the dude, but why're you massively overrating him to such a gargantuan extent?

While we're at it: Kobe isn't better than Jordan. Lemiuex wasn't better than Gretzky. Howard isn't even close to Olajuwon and Shaq, or even Ewing and Robinson. And Miguel Cabrera is worse than dozens of players in the past.

That latest best isn't always the best ever. In fact, that's rarely the case.
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I'm sure the shareholders losing their shirts love how Vince is destroying their company
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