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Old 01-03-2013, 04:57 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Cena is the biggest star in the WWE. The face of the WWE.
He doesn't need to put people over 'cleanly', in order to put them over. Feuding with Cena should be more than enough to get over, just look at where guys like Punk, and Ziggler are now.
If you aren't able to get YOURSELF over during a feud with the TOP dog (considering it isn't a filler/squash feud), then something is wrong, and being put over 'cleanly' sure as hell ain't going to benefit you much.

The TOP guy losing cleanly should ONLY happen on special occasions. Otherwise it devalues your TOP guy when he loses cleanly often. It makes no sense, but i'm sure most 'smarks' are unable to comprehend the reasoning behind what makes someone the 'top guy'.
This. And winning cheating is what heels do...its a way to get heat...and to continue the feud until the face wins in the end. Its as simple as that.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:36 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Wow. . . Just wow.

That is as ignorant as it gets folks. Clearly you are the clueless one. Cena hasn't been a BIG star since 2007? You are definitely retarded.
When was the last time you took notice of the weekly ratings?
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Its time he had a descent feud as far as Cena
being pinned like others stated only on special
occasions by certain wrestlers with main event
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:08 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

cena should have started that shit a long time ago.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:16 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

It'll be time when someone else actually becomes the top face. Obviously no one's managed it yet despite WWE's best efforts to push CM Punk and Sheamus.

Sheamus may get there eventually, but not while stuck on Smackdown and with the WHC. Mic skills still need work, but he can at least talk comfortably without screwing his lines up. Now he just needs to develop his charisma and delivery.

Punk has obviously flopped as the top face, so I'm not surprised WWE hasn't chosen to start going the full way to jobbing Cena, they just went halfway. Wise decision since Punk failed to live up to expectations. Now WWE can at least still use Cena the same way they have been.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:22 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

People seem to be putting a list of names that other legends/top faces put over in their career.

Honestly, though, a lot of them (Hurricane? Really?) didn't even make it past the lower mid-card.

Just because you beat a top face and he puts you over does not make you automatically a star. It just gives you the spotlight for 15 minutes. A lot of people who demand that Cena put over young talent don't realize that a lot of these talents are -not- over so it's just a waste.

To win against the top should be a shocker and an honor in every right; to have Cena suddenly 'job' to newcomers, as someone in this thread put it, doesn't do anyone any real favors. It just makes your top dog look weak and exposes a lot of faults of the one who beat him before he even had a proper chance to perfect his craft.

Just feuding with a top face should be sufficient enough to test the waters with a newcomer. If he succeeds, then hell yes he'll be put over. If he can't even properly set up a feud, then sorry, no excuses, squash him.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:53 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Its definitely time (maybe past time) for him to start losing cleanly, but the WWE has to be careful with that, he just can't start losing to everybody, hes not HBK who can just lose to everybody but still have a win over him be special.

A clean win over Cena still has to be a shocker and be given to the right people.poster above explains it perfectly.

I do think however at MITB 2011 when Punk won and took the title, that should have been clean, no distraction from Big Johnny, Punk just should have won the match.
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

I'll tell you what should happen at the next PPV. Ryback needs to get a big win, after three straight PPV losses. He is as close as anyone has been for ages to breaking through to the top, and Cena owes him anyways for mooching off his heat when he was white hot a few months ago. And I don't even give a crap how this takes place, to be quite honest. But he needs to challenge Cena. And they need to fight some kind of epic battle of strength. And Ryback needs to win. Cleanly. End of story. Whether or not you personally like Ryback I can't imagine anyone legitimately disagreeing, although it is WF so I know like at least four people will come in here with some dumbass comment directly after I post this. Whatever, the point is that that is a perfect example of a situation in which Cena should lose clean and put someone over.

Apologies in advance for the shit grammar and sentence structure, I just got out of the hospital and my brain's not fully turned on yet.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:27 PM   #69 (permalink)
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People seem to be putting a list of names that other legends/top faces put over in their career.

Honestly, though, a lot of them (Hurricane? Really?) didn't even make it past the lower mid-card.

Just because you beat a top face and he puts you over does not make you automatically a star. It just gives you the spotlight for 15 minutes. A lot of people who demand that Cena put over young talent don't realize that a lot of these talents are -not- over so it's just a waste.

To win against the top should be a shocker and an honor in every right; to have Cena suddenly 'job' to newcomers, as someone in this thread put it, doesn't do anyone any real favors. It just makes your top dog look weak and exposes a lot of faults of the one who beat him before he even had a proper chance to perfect his craft.

Just feuding with a top face should be sufficient enough to test the waters with a newcomer. If he succeeds, then hell yes he'll be put over. If he can't even properly set up a feud, then sorry, no excuses, squash him.



Exactly, I agree 100%. If Cena were jobbing and losing clean to every single newcomer around, then it loses it's affect. I remember when Hogan was on top and when someone beat Hogan tainted or not, it was a big deal. Now if you take a Damien Shadow and have him defeat John Cena, Sheamus, Randy Orton, and CM Punk, it doesn't guarantee him that he's going to be a big star. Take a look a Tensei. He defeated both John Cena and CM Punk in a month's time back in the spring, but now he's jobbing on Superstars.
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People complain about newer talent not getting over, but what they mean is that their favourite isn't getting over, everyone else can go to hell. I'm for as many people getting over as possible, it would improve the show and the more over people there are, the more avenues there are to push new talent, yes, your favourites are more likely to get pushed if there are more over people to feud with.
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Exactly, I agree 100%. If Cena were jobbing and losing clean to every single newcomer around, then it loses it's affect. I remember when Hogan was on top and when someone beat Hogan tainted or not, it was a big deal. Now if you take a Damien Shadow and have him defeat John Cena, Sheamus, Randy Orton, and CM Punk, it doesn't guarantee him that he's going to be a big star. Take a look a Tensei. He defeated both John Cena and CM Punk in a month's time back in the spring, but now he's jobbing on Superstars.
All I'm asking for is ZIggler and one more (possibly Ryback) in the next year. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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