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It's weird as Cena's popularity and relevance decline they seem to only put him in matches or segments with people that's already gotten themselves over so that he can leach off of it to keep him well relevant. Honestly at this point his character is so stale and directionless creative really has nothing left for him and has had nothing for years because there has been no evolution of Cena since his transition from rapper to marine 6 years ago. As he is seated in the top guy position to have him rarely lose is understandable but to have him lose all of one feud in about 5-6 years is lazy writing and zero character development.

You could argue that he is the face and as such shouldn't lose often and as much as I dislike Cena that is true. But Cena is 10 years in and his time is thankfully almost over it's time for him to start putting over the next generation and just feuding with them won't cut it. Yes having consistent matches with the top guy is great for your career but not when you lose every match or if you do get a lucky win you lose feud because Cena always has to have one more match and then you become irrelevant for the next year. And god knows when creative loses sight of you in wwe your done and that's what happens to most of his opponents with a select few exceptions who were already man event talent or the ginger dude on smackdown that been polishing trips balls the last 3 years.


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If he stays a face, then yea he should because he is boring as fuck as a face and his popularity has decreased. I don't mind him winning matches if he is becomes a heel though.

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John Cena lost to Kevin Federline. Can you top that?

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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

He needs to put over Ryback and Ziggler clean as a whistle in the next year. Cena was helped out constantly by established stars on his way up. Its long overdue for him to do the same.
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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

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He needs to put over Ryback and Ziggler clean as a whistle in the next year. Cena was helped out constantly by established stars on his way up. Its long overdue for him to do the same.
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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

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OP mentioned HHH and Batista. I'll give you Show and Khali.

Don't think you can call JBL's win clean. Yeah, it was a No DQ match but trying to set somebody on fire and getting lucky by pushing them onto a car screen isn't clean. Orton didn't pin him cleanly at HIAC either; tag match wins involving Nexus involved distraction from another wrestler.
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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Dude it was time for this to happen a loonnnnggggg time ago.

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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

I really feel like a good percentage of people here have no idea what the actual definition of "clean loss" is.
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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

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Look what beating Andre The Giant cleanly did for Hulk Hogan, what beating Hulk Hogan cleanly did for The Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg, what beating Ric Flair cleanly did for Sting and then what beating The Rock and The Undertaker cleanly did for Brock Lesnar. The point i'm making is that John Cena should only lose to people cleanly when it is needed to make someone a genuine star just as those aforementioned names did in respective matches before otherwise you water your top star down in star power and make him just another wrestler.

I've lost count of how many times i've said before that putting people over doesn't mean you lose to them because Bret Hart is regarded as having put Stone Cold Steve Austin over but Bret Hart won every match they ever worked outside of one which was a disqualification if memory serves me right. People like Sheamus, Wade Barrett, The Miz and currently Dolph Ziggler have never had more exposure than when they worked with John Cena and that exposure allowed them more time to shine. When Hulk Hogan was on top he only lost once in his whole WWE career cleanly, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart lost once cleanly during their run as top guy whilst i can only think of once for Stone Cold Steve Austin as well which was a Triple Threat match.
But that's the difference between Hart and Cena. The wrestlers that worked with Hart finished in a better position than they did than before their feud. That's the ultimate definition of putting someone over. Cena trash-talking Ziggler about how it's his 7th year already and how he can't buy a bag of nuts lowers his status in the eyes of fans and that's NOT putting someone over despite Ziggler having more spotlight on him. Did it help Ziggler when he was made to look like a fool trying to cash in his briefcase after TLC only for Cena to punk him out of it? Cena's no selling of promos and his grinning makes his opponents look out like jokes and it does nothing but hurt them.

You could win every match and still make your opponent out to look very strong (Hart and Austin) or you could lose and still make your opponent out to look very weak (Cena and ____ insert name).


Look at the Rock back in 2000. Even if he rarely lost clean, you always had a sense that he's a bit vulnerable to outside interference or underhanded heel tactics so him winning was never a guarantee. With Cena, it's the opposite feeling. You always feel like he'll overcome the obstacles and win no matter what. Therein lies the problem.

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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

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No it isn't. Have you got proof that it is? Sales of his merch is higher than ever at the moment.
lol

Talk about clueless. Cena hasn't been a BIG star since 2007.

Sure he might still make them abit but it's nowhere near the level of 5 years ago.



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Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

No, its time for CM PUNK to lose cleanly. he's had enough time in the sun.
Cena is still over and draws, so he shouldnt be jobbing so much.


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John Cena lost to Kevin Federline. Can you top that?

EDIT: Double post, sorry.

Rock lost to Stephanie

I'm pretty sure K-Fed could beat Steph in a fight
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