Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly?? - Page 5 - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling Forums
Reply

Old 01-01-2013, 02:33 PM   #41 (permalink)
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
 
syrusriddick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
syrusriddick 101 - 250syrusriddick 101 - 250syrusriddick 101 - 250
Default

It's weird as Cena's popularity and relevance decline they seem to only put him in matches or segments with people that's already gotten themselves over so that he can leach off of it to keep him well relevant. Honestly at this point his character is so stale and directionless creative really has nothing left for him and has had nothing for years because there has been no evolution of Cena since his transition from rapper to marine 6 years ago. As he is seated in the top guy position to have him rarely lose is understandable but to have him lose all of one feud in about 5-6 years is lazy writing and zero character development.

You could argue that he is the face and as such shouldn't lose often and as much as I dislike Cena that is true. But Cena is 10 years in and his time is thankfully almost over it's time for him to start putting over the next generation and just feuding with them won't cut it. Yes having consistent matches with the top guy is great for your career but not when you lose every match or if you do get a lucky win you lose feud because Cena always has to have one more match and then you become irrelevant for the next year. And god knows when creative loses sight of you in wwe your done and that's what happens to most of his opponents with a select few exceptions who were already man event talent or the ginger dude on smackdown that been polishing trips balls the last 3 years.


Sent from my iPhone using Verticalsports.com Free App
__________________
syrusriddick is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 01-01-2013, 04:23 PM   #42 (permalink)
21-0
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,289
Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500Hennessey 1001 - 1500
Default

If he stays a face, then yea he should because he is boring as fuck as a face and his popularity has decreased. I don't mind him winning matches if he is becomes a heel though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RaneGaming View Post
rock lost to The Hurricane
hhh lost to brooklyn brawler

alot more examples did it hurt them?
John Cena lost to Kevin Federline. Can you top that?

EDIT: Double post, sorry.

Last edited by Clique : 01-01-2013 at 06:59 PM. Reason: double post
Hennessey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2013, 05:10 PM   #43 (permalink)
Getting ignored by SCOTT STEINER
 
Dr. Jones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 903
Dr. Jones 501 - 1000Dr. Jones 501 - 1000Dr. Jones 501 - 1000Dr. Jones 501 - 1000Dr. Jones 501 - 1000Dr. Jones 501 - 1000
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

He needs to put over Ryback and Ziggler clean as a whistle in the next year. Cena was helped out constantly by established stars on his way up. Its long overdue for him to do the same.
Dr. Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2013, 06:12 PM   #44 (permalink)
Getting ignored by SCOTT STEINER
 
paulborklaserheyma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 815
paulborklaserheyma 251 - 500paulborklaserheyma 251 - 500paulborklaserheyma 251 - 500paulborklaserheyma 251 - 500paulborklaserheyma 251 - 500
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Jones View Post
He needs to put over Ryback and Ziggler clean as a whistle in the next year. Cena was helped out constantly by established stars on his way up. Its long overdue for him to do the same.
will never allows it to happen
__________________
paulborklaserheyma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2013, 06:24 PM   #45 (permalink)
Working on my abs
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Woodsboro High
Posts: 2,599
JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500JigsawKrueger 1001 - 1500
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycloneon View Post
Hbk
Triple
Big show
Batista
Randy Orton
Jbl
The great khali

And let's not forget a couple of members of the nexus has pinned him cleanly



Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
OP mentioned HHH and Batista. I'll give you Show and Khali.

Don't think you can call JBL's win clean. Yeah, it was a No DQ match but trying to set somebody on fire and getting lucky by pushing them onto a car screen isn't clean. Orton didn't pin him cleanly at HIAC either; tag match wins involving Nexus involved distraction from another wrestler.
JigsawKrueger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2013, 07:06 PM   #46 (permalink)
Getting ignored by SCOTT STEINER
 
WTF352's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gainesville Florida
Posts: 732
WTF352 101 - 250WTF352 101 - 250
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Dude it was time for this to happen a loonnnnggggg time ago.
__________________
WTF352 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2013, 07:38 AM   #47 (permalink)
There are many copies... and they have a plan.
Premium
 
SrsLii's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: At home
Posts: 1,055
SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000SrsLii 2501 - 3000
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

I really feel like a good percentage of people here have no idea what the actual definition of "clean loss" is.
SrsLii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2013, 04:00 PM   #48 (permalink)
Getting ignored by SCOTT STEINER
 
kwab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 867
kwab 251 - 500kwab 251 - 500kwab 251 - 500kwab 251 - 500kwab 251 - 500
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Quote:
Originally Posted by dave 1981 View Post
Look what beating Andre The Giant cleanly did for Hulk Hogan, what beating Hulk Hogan cleanly did for The Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg, what beating Ric Flair cleanly did for Sting and then what beating The Rock and The Undertaker cleanly did for Brock Lesnar. The point i'm making is that John Cena should only lose to people cleanly when it is needed to make someone a genuine star just as those aforementioned names did in respective matches before otherwise you water your top star down in star power and make him just another wrestler.

I've lost count of how many times i've said before that putting people over doesn't mean you lose to them because Bret Hart is regarded as having put Stone Cold Steve Austin over but Bret Hart won every match they ever worked outside of one which was a disqualification if memory serves me right. People like Sheamus, Wade Barrett, The Miz and currently Dolph Ziggler have never had more exposure than when they worked with John Cena and that exposure allowed them more time to shine. When Hulk Hogan was on top he only lost once in his whole WWE career cleanly, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart lost once cleanly during their run as top guy whilst i can only think of once for Stone Cold Steve Austin as well which was a Triple Threat match.
But that's the difference between Hart and Cena. The wrestlers that worked with Hart finished in a better position than they did than before their feud. That's the ultimate definition of putting someone over. Cena trash-talking Ziggler about how it's his 7th year already and how he can't buy a bag of nuts lowers his status in the eyes of fans and that's NOT putting someone over despite Ziggler having more spotlight on him. Did it help Ziggler when he was made to look like a fool trying to cash in his briefcase after TLC only for Cena to punk him out of it? Cena's no selling of promos and his grinning makes his opponents look out like jokes and it does nothing but hurt them.

You could win every match and still make your opponent out to look very strong (Hart and Austin) or you could lose and still make your opponent out to look very weak (Cena and ____ insert name).


Look at the Rock back in 2000. Even if he rarely lost clean, you always had a sense that he's a bit vulnerable to outside interference or underhanded heel tactics so him winning was never a guarantee. With Cena, it's the opposite feeling. You always feel like he'll overcome the obstacles and win no matter what. Therein lies the problem.
__________________
Live Shows Attended
10 - Pay-Per-View - WrestleMania 2000, No Way Out '01, Judgment Day '01, SummerSlam '01, Vengeance '01, Royal Rumble '05, WrestleMania 21, WrestleMania XXVI, WrestleMania XXVIII, Royal Rumble '13, WrestleMania XXX...
11 - Monday Night Raw - 7/27/98, 9/13/99, 4/3/00, 10/09/00, 8/06/01, 9/23/02, 3/24/03, 7/21/03, 8/23/04, 4/4/05, 3/15/10, 4/7/13...
5 - SmackDown - 11/30/99, 3/13/01, 8/07/01, 3/25/03, 6/03/03...
5 - House Show - 6/30/94, 7/29/94, 7/17/99, 7/08/00, 1/06/01...

All-Time - Bret Hart, Chris Jericho, Jake Roberts, Kurt Angle, Steve Austin, Brutus Beefcake, Demolition, CM Punk, Randy Savage, D-X (1998-99)
Currently Marking For - CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Antonio Cesaro, The SHIELD, Wyatt Family

Last edited by kwab : 01-02-2013 at 04:03 PM.
kwab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2013, 04:08 PM   #49 (permalink)
AND YOU SHINE MY SHOES IF I WANT YOU TO
 
Cliffy Byro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Bullworth Academy
Posts: 9,664
Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000Cliffy Byro 7501 - 8000
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Quote:
Originally Posted by 123bigdave View Post
No it isn't. Have you got proof that it is? Sales of his merch is higher than ever at the moment.
lol

Talk about clueless. Cena hasn't been a BIG star since 2007.

Sure he might still make them abit but it's nowhere near the level of 5 years ago.
__________________
Cliffy Byro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2013, 04:24 PM   #50 (permalink)
Yelled at by SCOTT STEINER
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,737
Bossdude 501 - 1000Bossdude 501 - 1000Bossdude 501 - 1000Bossdude 501 - 1000Bossdude 501 - 1000Bossdude 501 - 1000Bossdude 501 - 1000
Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

No, its time for CM PUNK to lose cleanly. he's had enough time in the sun.
Cena is still over and draws, so he shouldnt be jobbing so much.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparta101 View Post
John Cena lost to Kevin Federline. Can you top that?

EDIT: Double post, sorry.

Rock lost to Stephanie

I'm pretty sure K-Fed could beat Steph in a fight
Bossdude is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios