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Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

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#1 ·
I've counted a whopping 4 people that have beaten Cena clean since 2005

HBK on Raw
HHH on Raw and NOC
Batista at Summerslam
Rock at Wrestlemania
Cena and Taker have wrestled once or twice, Cena was about to lose each time until interference

I think it's time for Cena to pay his dues and put people over CLEANLY. Not BS like Punk at MITB

I'm thinking the most likely candidate to go over Cena clean is Ryback since he was about to pin Cena at SS before the Shield came in

Maybe Ambrose once the Shield craze is over.
 
#46 ·
OP mentioned HHH and Batista. I'll give you Show and Khali.

Don't think you can call JBL's win clean. Yeah, it was a No DQ match but trying to set somebody on fire and getting lucky by pushing them onto a car screen isn't clean. Orton didn't pin him cleanly at HIAC either; tag match wins involving Nexus involved distraction from another wrestler.
 
#4 ·
its time they use his star power to create new top level talent, cena should job to ziggler, ryback, the shield etc. Obviously he needs to keep winning but in big time matches hes gotta let the young stars get there big win. Cenas popularity and drawing power is dropping and he can help set the wwe up for future years by putting over the younger guys.
 
#12 ·
its time they use his star power to create new top level talent, cena should job to ziggler, ryback, the shield etc. Obviously he needs to keep winning but in big time matches hes gotta let the young stars get there big win. Cenas popularity and drawing power is dropping and he can help set the wwe up for future years by putting over the younger guys.
i agree on this part
 
#6 ·
Cannot make new stars, if old (red) giant stars are sucking all the mass and energy from new smaller stars. Stellar nurseries are created from the death of old stars in dust clouds...

I love astronomy - so much symbolism to life. And entertainment.
 
#7 ·
Cena is the biggest star in the WWE. The face of the WWE.
He doesn't need to put people over 'cleanly', in order to put them over. Feuding with Cena should be more than enough to get over, just look at where guys like Punk, and Ziggler are now.
If you aren't able to get YOURSELF over during a feud with the TOP dog (considering it isn't a filler/squash feud), then something is wrong, and being put over 'cleanly' sure as hell ain't going to benefit you much.

The TOP guy losing cleanly should ONLY happen on special occasions. Otherwise it devalues your TOP guy when he loses cleanly often. It makes no sense, but i'm sure most 'smarks' are unable to comprehend the reasoning behind what makes someone the 'top guy'.
 
#10 ·
this, this and this. Cena losing clean should be a very rare occasion cause he is the TOP GUY, and he will be for years to come. The monthly clean putting over comes when you are less than a year from retirement. Cena doesn't need to do that at this stage, anyone who even feuds with him gets put over by that. For example, Cena put over Edge, it didn't involve any 'clean' losses, in fact Edge used the dirtiest tactics to beat Cena, which is why he got over big as a heel. Not only is it ridiculous that IWC wants every new face to beat Cena clean, it's even more that they want heels to beat him clean. What will that accomplish? Heels are meant to cheat, it helps them get heat and be known as the bad guys.
 
#8 ·
I think people overrate 'clean' wins. It doesn't have to be clean to matter. Just ask Punk, his career did a 180 since MITB over a year ago. And the top star isn't gonna start jobbing to all sorts of people, get real. Hogan barely ever put anyone over clean and same goes for Austin. Rock only could afford to cuz Austin was there as well. Had he been the only top star, Rock would not put as many people over. Top stars don't lose clean hardly at all, and that's never gonna change.
 
#9 ·
I think he needs to put one face and one heel over cleanly. Whoever they have planned for both slots. If he lusts everyone over cleAnly, then he looks like a joke for future big money matches.
 
#14 ·
The thing about those guys you listed is they are all iconic or legends in the WWE/wrestling as a whole.

Why would Cena put over anyone beneath him with no potential in clean fashion? Sorry, not happening. Vince is a billionaire and has more brains than some IWC member.

Batista may not be a legend but he was the number two face or number one heel at that time. I remember that Wrestlemania he and Cena won he was considered bigger than Cena as he headlined. I know times have changed but Cena got his revenge and won that feud.

As for the other ones, yeah they are legends. Cena doesn't put over a scrub. And did The Rock not beat him "clean"?
 
#16 ·
Not going to happen. Cena would only lose clean if any 1 of the 2 things happen:

1. Cena turns heel.

2. Vince makes someone else the face of the WWE.


And by the looks of how things are going, I dont think any of the 2 things are going to happen anytime soon. Cena wont/cant lose clean to young guys, if he does his superhero superman like character will lose its meaning.
 
#17 ·
it might happen if he faces ryback one on one.face vs face similar to hogan vs warrior
 
#20 ·
Doesn't need to be clean as long as its done well, Punk at MITB isn't considered 'clean' but was definitely a 'making of a star' victory. The Ziggler Ladder match was a poor attempt IMO though, poorly setup feud and the outcome was more about AJ and Cena than Dolph at all.

I think he's being used OK at the minute but being in some ridiculously bad feuds since May, I think they'll probably let some of this 'New Generation 2.0' get over like the Ryback's to the point where they could utilize Cena to help create the ones that may be faltering to make it.
 
#39 ·
Besides Shawn Michaels.........

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#27 ·
Next after The Rock is Taker.

I mean fuck new talent and all of that :punk2
 
#31 ·
He only loses to already established stars.. like he did with The Rock at WM.
Cena needs to lose cleanly in order to make big stars.. for a new talent to say he pinned Cena cleanly would do a lot of good.

Cena just hates jobbing. You all seen it at WM27 when he had to lose to Miz. That was the worst main event wrestlemaina I've ever seen.
 
#32 · (Edited)
Yeah it was cause u can't expect a good match between the likes of Miz and Cena. I don't blame Cena for not wanting Miz to end WM as the winner.

Also yeah, he losses to established stars, who else would he lose too? They can make him lose clean to a new star but only if they are certain he will get a big push. For example Rock lost clean in Goldberg's WWE debut, but that was because it was certain Goldberg would become a mega-star. Otherwise giving away clean losses like that with your top face is stupid. Maybe now that they are certain Ryback will be a big dominant face in the next few years, they can have him beat Cena clean, and it will be big. But other than that no, and when you want heels to beat the top face clean :fpalm
 
#34 ·
losing cleanly? not necessarily, you can put people over without losing cleanly.

Him and the booking team need to stop crushing the momentum of guys like Ziggler tho, Ziggler picks up the win at TLC which could have been a huge thing, a win over John Cena, clean or not he won and they could have played on that, instead of that he got absolutely crushed cashing in the next night, he got shit dropped on him after having a totally unneccesary shoot belittling him by Cena, any momemtum dolph has from TLC is all but gone, and it wouldnt have needed Cena to lose clean to keep up the guys momentum. the only person who Cena has made look decent since TLC is his workout buddy ryblack.
 
#35 ·
Look what beating Andre The Giant cleanly did for Hulk Hogan, what beating Hulk Hogan cleanly did for The Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg, what beating Ric Flair cleanly did for Sting and then what beating The Rock and The Undertaker cleanly did for Brock Lesnar. The point i'm making is that John Cena should only lose to people cleanly when it is needed to make someone a genuine star just as those aforementioned names did in respective matches before otherwise you water your top star down in star power and make him just another wrestler.

I've lost count of how many times i've said before that putting people over doesn't mean you lose to them because Bret Hart is regarded as having put Stone Cold Steve Austin over but Bret Hart won every match they ever worked outside of one which was a disqualification if memory serves me right. People like Sheamus, Wade Barrett, The Miz and currently Dolph Ziggler have never had more exposure than when they worked with John Cena and that exposure allowed them more time to shine. When Hulk Hogan was on top he only lost once in his whole WWE career cleanly, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart lost once cleanly during their run as top guy whilst i can only think of once for Stone Cold Steve Austin as well which was a Triple Threat match.
 
#49 · (Edited)
Look what beating Andre The Giant cleanly did for Hulk Hogan, what beating Hulk Hogan cleanly did for The Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg, what beating Ric Flair cleanly did for Sting and then what beating The Rock and The Undertaker cleanly did for Brock Lesnar. The point i'm making is that John Cena should only lose to people cleanly when it is needed to make someone a genuine star just as those aforementioned names did in respective matches before otherwise you water your top star down in star power and make him just another wrestler.

I've lost count of how many times i've said before that putting people over doesn't mean you lose to them because Bret Hart is regarded as having put Stone Cold Steve Austin over but Bret Hart won every match they ever worked outside of one which was a disqualification if memory serves me right. People like Sheamus, Wade Barrett, The Miz and currently Dolph Ziggler have never had more exposure than when they worked with John Cena and that exposure allowed them more time to shine. When Hulk Hogan was on top he only lost once in his whole WWE career cleanly, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart lost once cleanly during their run as top guy whilst i can only think of once for Stone Cold Steve Austin as well which was a Triple Threat match.
But that's the difference between Hart and Cena. The wrestlers that worked with Hart finished in a better position than they did than before their feud. That's the ultimate definition of putting someone over. Cena trash-talking Ziggler about how it's his 7th year already and how he can't buy a bag of nuts lowers his status in the eyes of fans and that's NOT putting someone over despite Ziggler having more spotlight on him. Did it help Ziggler when he was made to look like a fool trying to cash in his briefcase after TLC only for Cena to punk him out of it? Cena's no selling of promos and his grinning makes his opponents look out like jokes and it does nothing but hurt them.

You could win every match and still make your opponent out to look very strong (Hart and Austin) or you could lose and still make your opponent out to look very weak (Cena and ____ insert name).


Look at the Rock back in 2000. Even if he rarely lost clean, you always had a sense that he's a bit vulnerable to outside interference or underhanded heel tactics so him winning was never a guarantee. With Cena, it's the opposite feeling. You always feel like he'll overcome the obstacles and win no matter what. Therein lies the problem.
 
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