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Old 01-01-2013, 12:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He only loses to already established stars.. like he did with The Rock at WM.
Cena needs to lose cleanly in order to make big stars.. for a new talent to say he pinned Cena cleanly would do a lot of good.

Cena just hates jobbing. You all seen it at WM27 when he had to lose to Miz. That was the worst main event wrestlemaina I've ever seen.
Yeah it was cause u can't expect a good match between the likes of Miz and Cena. I don't blame Cena for not wanting Miz to end WM as the winner.

Also yeah, he losses to established stars, who else would he lose too? They can make him lose clean to a new star but only if they are certain he will get a big push. For example Rock lost clean in Goldberg's WWE debut, but that was because it was certain Goldberg would become a mega-star. Otherwise giving away clean losses like that with your top face is stupid. Maybe now that they are certain Ryback will be a big dominant face in the next few years, they can have him beat Cena clean, and it will be big. But other than that no, and when you want heels to beat the top face clean :
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:39 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah it was cause u can't expect a good match between the likes of Miz and Cena. I don't blame Cena for not wanting Miz to end WM as the winner.

Also yeah, he losses to established stars, who else would he lose too? They can make him lose clean to a new star but only if they are certain he will get a big push. For example Rock lost clean in Goldberg's WWE debut, but that was because it was certain Goldberg would become a mega-star. Otherwise giving away clean losses like that with your top face is stupid. Maybe now that they are certain Ryback will be a big dominant face in the next few years, they can have him beat Cena clean, and it will be big. But other than that no, and when you want heels to beat the top face clean :
rock lost to The Hurricane
hhh lost to brooklyn brawler

alot more examples did it hurt them?
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:47 PM   #33 (permalink)
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losing cleanly? not necessarily, you can put people over without losing cleanly.

Him and the booking team need to stop crushing the momentum of guys like Ziggler tho, Ziggler picks up the win at TLC which could have been a huge thing, a win over John Cena, clean or not he won and they could have played on that, instead of that he got absolutely crushed cashing in the next night, he got shit dropped on him after having a totally unneccesary shoot belittling him by Cena, any momemtum dolph has from TLC is all but gone, and it wouldnt have needed Cena to lose clean to keep up the guys momentum. the only person who Cena has made look decent since TLC is his workout buddy ryblack.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:52 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Look what beating Andre The Giant cleanly did for Hulk Hogan, what beating Hulk Hogan cleanly did for The Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg, what beating Ric Flair cleanly did for Sting and then what beating The Rock and The Undertaker cleanly did for Brock Lesnar. The point i'm making is that John Cena should only lose to people cleanly when it is needed to make someone a genuine star just as those aforementioned names did in respective matches before otherwise you water your top star down in star power and make him just another wrestler.

I've lost count of how many times i've said before that putting people over doesn't mean you lose to them because Bret Hart is regarded as having put Stone Cold Steve Austin over but Bret Hart won every match they ever worked outside of one which was a disqualification if memory serves me right. People like Sheamus, Wade Barrett, The Miz and currently Dolph Ziggler have never had more exposure than when they worked with John Cena and that exposure allowed them more time to shine. When Hulk Hogan was on top he only lost once in his whole WWE career cleanly, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart lost once cleanly during their run as top guy whilst i can only think of once for Stone Cold Steve Austin as well which was a Triple Threat match.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:57 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Won't happen.

Seriously. I'm not even sure it will happen when Cena is 40 years old either.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:59 PM   #36 (permalink)
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He should do it when the next top guy is ready. I think everybody here agree that the guy who shoud be put over is Ziggler. but i'm not sure if ziggler is ready.
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He should do it when the next top guy is ready. I think everybody here agree that the guy who shoud be put over is Ziggler. but i'm not sure if ziggler is ready.
The problem is he put him over, ziggler got the win, if they had moved him to to cashing in or something you MIGHT have seen if he was ready,but no ..Cena had to get his payback and more, and right now ziggler is worse off then he was pre TLC, and we're farther away from seeing if hes ready.
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Yeah I have respect for top stars who are willing to put over others like The Rock.
I even like Hogan in 2002 because he literally jobbed to everyone.
Besides Shawn Michaels.........

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Like for a split second, you just forget everything you know about TNA and say "Holy shit, I'm watching Kurt Angle wrestle Sting in clown make-up on PPV in 2011 in front of 800 non-paying tourists at an amusement park." to yourself? Shit is surreal man.
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:40 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Justin Gabriel pinned him clean on the 900 episode of raw. you can just add that to the list. Just like when Steve Austin lost clean to Kurrgan in the 90's, and all the time Hogan lost clean to Hillbilly Jim.
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I also can't believe how much you let Cena ruin your own lives by doing what he does.

You all may make fun of people with "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT!" for the young kids or marks or whatever, but you guys are even worse than them. You have this deep-seeded legitimate rage for Cena and his fans to the point where you let it affect your day to day life.

Grow up. Seriously.
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:00 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it time for Cena to put people over cleanly??

Clean is irrelevant. Cena put over Punk several times, he has still not beaten him on pay per view. And Ziggler just got a win at TLC, which will probably be good for him.
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