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Old 01-02-2013, 07:20 PM   #81 (permalink)
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It's like trying to force Justin Beiber into a Metal festival and hoping it'll work. It'll never work. Than, he goes to a metal musician for that night and from than on because it was successful. Than, 10 years later the metal fans are clamoring for the next teen star to turn metal in front of the pop audience. WCW is the metal festival and fans, while WWE is the pop audience. Why would the next teen pop star turn metal during a pop concert? Because there's 10 metal fans in the crowd who paid tickets to the show and want him to turn metal?

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lol you were making some sense until you dropped the point about Justin Bieber turning metal, you're right about that, except you went on to contradict yourself by saying that the fans that hate him will now cheer him. That's like saying those metal fans will like Justin Bieber if he started making metal music, like you mentioned. I doubt the adults will like him, the fans have hated him for so long that they wouldn't even give a fuck if he was face or heel. And stop with the god damn merchandise excuse, they're not gonna lose as much money if he's heel from merchandise.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:23 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I know alot of you may hate this, but I feel that the only way Cena can turn heel and have the majority of the fanbase boo him is to end the streak.

Cena turning heel on anyone else but The Undertaker will not work in my opinion. If Cena does face Rock at Mania 29 through dirty tactics he is going to be cheered by at least 50 percent of the fanbase because he did not really take anything from the smarks. Cena takes away the streak, that is something entirely different. That is something the smarks hold dear. Get what I'm saying?

If Cena turns heel on anyone else, the kids might turn with him (which would be pretty cool to see actually. Kids giving smarks a taste of their own medicine would be awesome).

Have Cena defeat Taker at Mania 30, leave for at least three weeks, come back on an episode of Raw to cut an epic heel promo before challenging the current champion at the next pay per view. Heel Cena should not wrestle more than twice a month, the pay per views and one Raw match. The other three Raws will consist of him cutting promos building up his pay per view match. Cena should have a list of people he wants to go through during his reign of terror. The first man will be HHH, since it was at Mania 22 where Cena really started to get booed by those who still disrespect him.
As much as I can't stand Cena, I would actually be all for this idea. It's probably the best way to turn him heel and cancel out the idea of "the adults will cheer him". They won't if he ends the streak of a legend who's more prestigious than he is. I would hate to see the streak ended, but that's the beauty of turning him heel, I would still hate him for it rather than cheer him because he's a heel.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:28 PM   #83 (permalink)
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As much as I can't stand Cena, I would actually be all for this idea. It's probably the best way to turn him heel and cancel out the idea of "the adults will cheer him". They won't if he ends the streak of a legend who's more prestigious than he is. I would hate to see the streak ended, but that's the beauty of turning him heel, I would still hate him for it rather than cheer him because he's a heel.
Yeah but we'll be booing because it was a bad booking decision. The streak should not end at this point, to anyone, or for any reason. Even a Cena heel turn.

Instead he could injure 'Taker before Wrestlemania so as to take him out of action and deny the fans whatever match may have been scheduled to happen. Massive heat, and Taker's streak stays intact.
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Can you please explain to me how Cena is a massive draw? Don't use merchandise, because Punk's first best in the world t shirt was outselling Cena's and The Rock's merchandise was outselling his too. Explain the ratings too, all he does at best is keep them average. During many of his so called "headlined" wrestlemanias, he wasn't even the main draw. Let's look at the facts

Wrestlemania 21- Cena vs JBL. Triple H and Batista were the main draws and Hogan being inducted. Expected
Wrestlemania 22- Cena vs Triple H. Cena and Triple H were actually the main draws.
Wrestlemania 23- Cena vs HBK. Main evented, but played second fiddle to Donald Trump and Vince
Wrestlemania 24- Cena vs Orton vs Triple H. Mayweather and Big Show were the main draws (no surprise)
Wrestlemania 25- Cena vs Edge vs Big Show. Main draws were Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and the Undertaker
Wrestlemania 26- Cena vs Batista- This should be the main draw, but it wasn't. Taker vs HBK II was.
Wrestlemania 27- Cena vs Miz- The Rock as a fucking host was the main draw.
Wrestlemania 28- Cena vs Rock- Once again Rock was the main draw, but I'll give Cena credit, he was a big reason the wwe had the most ppv buys in history. But it was more of the generation vs generation match that sold.

Looks like every wrestlemania needed an outsider or attitude era legend (Triple H, HBK, and Taker) to sell the damn ppv. So once again, can someone please explain to me how the fuck Cena is a MASSIVE DRAW? And don't come at me with the merchandise bullshit, with today's active roster, he only has to outsell Punk, Shaemus, Ziggler, and Ryback. How impressive.
Good post. Not to be an asshole or anything, I agree that there really has not been a WM in which people have said "ooohhh I need to order this show to see Cena's match" besides his match with Rock this year (That does not mean that Cena is not a draw though). But I need to rain on your parade a little bit when it comes to you mentioning WM's 25 and 26. Guys like HHH, HBK, and The Undertaker are indeed all time greats, but there is now way I can believe that they alone have sold a WM. They have never been "that guy" despite being somewhat close. I will even go as far as to say Cena is a bigger star than any of the three of them. So I only really disagree with WM's 25 and 26 because we cannot say who was clearly the draw besides the WWE Promotion Machine itself. The last few years, the ONLY stars featured at WM that are bigger than Cena are Rock, Mayweather, and Trump and that is nothing to be ashamed of. Besides that, great post.

I think it will be proven that Cena is a bigger star than HHH, Taker, and HBK when he becomes the Undertaker's biggest match at WM. I am sure they will face off at some point.
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I'd still wanna know why you people think he's guaranteed to be cheered by adults as a heel. Edge wasn't. Hogan in the nWo wasn't(fans were into Hall/Nash). HHH while he sometimes got a bayface pop during his entrance he was still booed by everyone afterwards.
Because they boo him now for being a babyface. I know that sounds too simple, but it's the truth. 99% of Cena haters are not that complex. Some of them can fool you into thinking that they are, but they are not. You know what though? I love his mixed reactions now. It's almost the only time there is any real noise if you go to a show. Believe it or not, the crowd at WM 28 disappointed me. I was expected Cena to get alot more heat than he actually did. He got HUGE heat, but I was expecting some ONS 06 type of shit. I know this sounds outrageous, but I am a die hard Cena fan who LOVES how polarizing he is. When I watch his matches and I hear, "Let's go Cena, Cena sucks" I just start laughing out of enjoyment. It is one of the most unique situations in wrestling history. Unlike Hogan and Austin, Cena has to deal with an extremely smart audience during a time that kayfabe is REALLY, REALLY dead. Smarks are more prevalent than ever before, and he has done a great job with what he has been dealt.
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Do yourself a favor and stop posting. I don't care about your opinion, but to say Cena is anywhere near The Rock's popularity INSIDE OR OUTSIDE of wrestling is extremely stupid. The Rock is quite possibly the most mainstream star in the history of wrestling, your comparison is ludicrous.
I think at this point it's safe to say Rock has surpassed Hogan in the late 80's as the most mainstream star ever.
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Because they boo him now for being a babyface. I know that sounds too simple, but it's the truth. 99% of Cena haters are not that complex. Some of them can fool you into thinking that they are, but they are not. You know what though? I love his mixed reactions now. It's almost the only time there is any real noise if you go to a show. Believe it or not, the crowd at WM 28 disappointed me. I was expected Cena to get alot more heat than he actually did. He got HUGE heat, but I was expecting some ONS 06 type of shit. I know this sounds outrageous, but I am a die hard Cena fan who LOVES how polarizing he is. When I watch his matches and I hear, "Let's go Cena, Cena sucks" I just start laughing out of enjoyment. It is one of the most unique situations in wrestling history. Unlike Hogan and Austin, Cena has to deal with an extremely smart audience during a time that kayfabe is REALLY, REALLY dead. Smarks are more prevalent than ever before, and he has done a great job with what he has been dealt.

Your argument is terrible, you actually buy into WWE propaganda about how Cena is polarizing. Cena has failed miserably as the top guy and easily the worst top guy in history. I honestly dont understand how people can give him credit when hes just been forced down our throat non stop.
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If so many people want Cena to turn heel, they would just cheer him and he would fail as a heel too. Either way, Cena is fucked. Pretty sure I would be bored either way.
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Your argument is terrible, you actually buy into WWE propaganda about how Cena is polarizing. Cena has failed miserably as the top guy and easily the worst top guy in history. I honestly dont understand how people can give him credit when hes just been forced down our throat non stop.
I love it. I really love it.

The fact that some think he is the worst top guy in history despite the proof that he is one of the best ever means that the secret to WWE's success remains safe. You have the right to your opinion though.
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No, telling someone to stop posting (on a message board no less), and calling something "extremely stupid" is still hating, even if you disagree with it.
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