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Old 12-28-2012, 02:29 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I'm not a Cena fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I refuse to be a Cena hater either. The man is the most popular wrestler of this generation, putting him right on par with Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Rock, and Randy Savage in terms of how much fans love him and throw money at him. I'm not saying he's as good as those guys, but he's as popular as they are; they didn't bring in amazing ratings, and Cena affects ratings more than anyone else today. The only two wrestlers that are above this class, in my opinion, are Hogan and Austin. They made wrestling into a massively popular brand, no matter how temporary. Other than them, Cena is as popular as anyone.

When Cena injured his arm a couple months back, the first Raw without him was the lowest rated Raw in 15 years. He is the man, no matter what our personal opinions may be. Kids love the guy, and kids are how you invest in the future. I'll bet everyone on this forum got into wrestling before they were 14 yrs old. This is how you build towards the future, and unfortunately wrestling is in rebuilding mode.

To me, the Cena heel turn idea is ludicrous. Nothing about his character lends to him being a heel. He'd have to be a completely different character, which could permanently ruin him. Austin's heel turn was a massive failure, and I think it ruined the remainder of his career. In fairness, by my logic Hogan's heel turn would've been a failure, and it turned out to be the best business decision in the history of the business. However, you just can't bet on something like the nWo happening in WWE.

This is all driven by Cena haters who don't buy into his character. Well the fact is a ton of other people do, and he's the reason WWE is as successful as it is today. All you people who claim "the time has come, he's just boring now" were saying he was boring five years ago. Some in this message board claim his popularity will run out and in a couple of years no one will care about him. Never in pro wrestling has the top face simply lost popularity late in his career. Storylines may have been stale, but never has the guy just lost popularity. This idea that all the Cena fans out there are just gonna wake up and discover that Cena is actually fake and boring is ridiculous, because he's not fake and boring. He's the nicest guy in the world, and he realistically acts like that, and all us cynics who love heels like Ziggler and Punk just can't stand it so we call him fake. He's the most popular wrestler on the planet, and there's no reason to expect that to change.

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Who the fuck wants to see him face the same guys again? Cesaro? Sandow? Del Rio? Wow, you must be into boring feuds. lol lets not pretend like Cena is a super draw now, I don't see him breaking attendance records (don't bring up wrestlemania, that was The Rock's drawing power), ppv buys, and boosting the ratings. Wow he sales toys and shirts to kids, those damn things always sell, just insert Shaemus (cant stand him either) and you'd get the same results, kids are stupid and gullible.

Cena is the tallest of midgets right now, that doesn't in any way make him a "top draw", he's just their only draw right now.
John Cena is the top draw of this generation. I swear anti-Cena fans treat Cena and Cena fans like non-wrestling fans treat wrestling and wrestling fans ("It's fake!!!"). Lol I say this largely because when I saw a 20 yr old in a Cena t-shirt, a part of me looked down on him as immature, which is exactly what every non-wrestling fan think of us. They're just a bunch of cynics who don't get it. I don't like Cena any more than the next guy, BUT THE FACT IS HE'S THE MOST POPULAR WRESTLER OF THIS GENERATION. WWE isn' forcing him down our throats, fans want him, which is why he moves the ratings more than anyone else today (and a lot more than Punk).

I'm a big Sheamus fan, but you can't just say Sheamus can be Cena if you insert Sheamus into the position. They're not the same character, and believe it or not Cena is uniquely talented at playing the PG hero that he is today. (Another analogy to people who hate wrestling: a friend of mine who hates wrestling one said its easy to make a wrestler a big star by just having him win all his matches). And he's not FAKE. His character is extremely realistic, cynical fans just can't stand the nice guy so they call him "fake." He's only fake in that people act really nice, or politicians/celebrities act perfect for the sake of public image. In that case, Cena's playing the role model and the celebrity that he's supposed to play, and that kids are in fact eating up. Cena is doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing. If you see Cena on talk shows, they treat him like a pro athlete rather than a freak show or a joke like they do other pro wrestlers, he's just a really likable guy, unless you're a hater and a cynic. I get the Cena hate, I wanna boo him too, but I hold back because he really is just so good at doing exactly the right thing. He's not trying to be the anti-hero we want him to be, he's being the actual hero that kids want him to be (and women), and the ratings and merchandise sales reflect that.

Oh, and someone here pointed out that older fans are the ones with the money to spend on merch. Well, Cena's merch sells better than any other wrestler by far. Vince McMahon hasn't been stubbornly pushing Cena for 8 yrs, hoping in vain for the dude to get popular. Cena is as popular as it gets in the 21st century.

Lol I swear all you haters are turning me into a Cena fan.
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I think they would have a riot on their hands. Do it.


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I'm not a Cena fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I refuse to be a Cena hater either. The man is the most popular wrestler of this generation, putting him right on par with Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Rock, and Randy Savage in terms of how much fans love him and throw money at him. I'm not saying he's as good as those guys, but he's as popular as they are; they didn't bring in amazing ratings, and Cena affects ratings more than anyone else today. The only two wrestlers that are above this class, in my opinion, are Hogan and Austin. They made wrestling into a massively popular brand, no matter how temporary. Other than them, Cena is as popular as anyone.

When Cena injured his arm a couple months back, the first Raw without him was the lowest rated Raw in 15 years. He is the man, no matter what our personal opinions may be. Kids love the guy, and kids are how you invest in the future. I'll bet everyone on this forum got into wrestling before they were 14 yrs old. This is how you build towards the future, and unfortunately wrestling is in rebuilding mode.

To me, the Cena heel turn idea is ludicrous. Nothing about his character lends to him being a heel. He'd have to be a completely different character, which could permanently ruin him. Austin's heel turn was a massive failure, and I think it ruined the remainder of his career. In fairness, by my logic Hogan's heel turn would've been a failure, and it turned out to be the best business decision in the history of the business. However, you just can't bet on something like the nWo happening in WWE.

This is all driven by Cena haters who don't buy into his character. Well the fact is a ton of other people do, and he's the reason WWE is as successful as it is today. All you people who claim "the time has come, he's just boring now" were saying he was boring five years ago. Some in this message board claim his popularity will run out and in a couple of years no one will care about him. Never in pro wrestling has the top face simply lost popularity late in his career. Storylines may have been stale, but never has the guy just lost popularity. This idea that all the Cena fans out there are just gonna wake up and discover that Cena is actually fake and boring is ridiculous, because he's not fake and boring. He's the nicest guy in the world, and he realistically acts like that, and all us cynics who love heels like Ziggler and Punk just can't stand it so we call him fake. He's the most popular wrestler on the planet, and there's no reason to expect that to change.

Sorry.
He is not on the same level as Rock. and how do you know cena is really a nice guy? mark my words the man will get exposed some day as the biggest masterpolitician of his era. He will be named in the same sentence as men like HH and HHH.
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I think I've given up on Cena turning heel. They've had absolutely perfect opportunities in the past to do it but haven't.

The opportune time would be when he's at his most popular as it would cause most impact and Cena has been far more popular than he is now, he's not as relevant as he has been in the past so doing it now would pale in comparison to doing it while he was at the peak of his popularity. In all honesty, Cena has never really been less relevant. He's not held the title for over a year, he's been stuck in a love triangle story and hasn't really had any definite direction in a while. It wouldn't create the buzz it would have created even about 9 months ago after Wrestlemania.

He still makes them money, he still does the charity thing and they still have heels up and coming they seem keen on. I can't see them doing it anytime soon, and really, even if they did it won't be as good as it could have been in the past in my opinion.
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Cena should have kept the MITB briefcase all the way until WM.
Punk and Undertaker have a feud for the WWE title for Undertaker's "last WM match", in a cell.
Undertaker just narrowly beats Punk by way of a tombstone, a table is left set up in the ring however.
Undertaker receives a great ovation from the crowd as his broken and battered body is barely able to stand.
Cena's music hits.
AA through the table, pinning Taker to not only swipe the WWE title but to also end the streak.
He helps Punk up and out of the cell. Two man power trip version 2.0.
Atomic heat.
Awesome booking.
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He is not on the same level as Rock. and how do you know cena is really a nice guy? mark my words the man will get exposed some day as the biggest masterpolitician of his era. He will be named in the same sentence as men like HH and HHH.
I'm not saying he's as good as the Rock, I'm saying he's pretty much as popular as he was. Major ratings draw, but not as big as Hogan or Austin. If I'm wrong I'd like to hear it, but I think only Hogan or Austin are in a higher category then the other major stars from the modern era. I don't mean to insult anyone by comparison to Cena; HBK and Hart were incredible, but like Cena, they were the big stars during mediocre years for the company. Rock was there when it was really popular, but only because of Austin; the ratings drop which we continue to suffer through today began right around when Austin got his big back injury in November 1999.

Yeah, that's true, I can't say I know he's a nice guy. But I do think he does a great job of realistically playing a nice guy, and realism is all you can ask for in wrestling. The fact that older fans don't like Cena doesn't change the fact that he's doing a great job of playing a very popular character.
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I'm not saying he's as good as the Rock, I'm saying he's pretty much as popular as he was. Major ratings draw, but not as big as Hogan or Austin. If I'm wrong I'd like to hear it, but I think only Hogan or Austin are in a higher category then the other major stars from the modern era. I don't mean to insult anyone by comparison to Cena; HBK and Hart were incredible, but like Cena, they were the big stars during mediocre years for the company. Rock was there when it was really popular, but only because of Austin; the ratings drop which we continue to suffer through today began right around when Austin got his big back injury in November 1999.

Yeah, that's true, I can't say I know he's a nice guy. But I do think he does a great job of realistically playing a nice guy, and realism is all you can ask for in wrestling. The fact that older fans don't like Cena doesn't change the fact that he's doing a great job of playing a very popular character.


Rock at one time was one of the most recognizable human beings on the planet. He's guest starred on popular tv shows and has been in box office blockbusters. Rock got damn near every single person in every arena to their feet clapping and cheering in unison. He introduced the word SmackDown into popular human jargon.

Rock is and was on an entirely different planet of popularity than Cena ever was
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Fine, Rock is probably bigger than Cena, but Cena is still a massive star today. He's the biggest ratings and merchandise draw. Ratings might be down, but the blame for that goes on everyone else on the roster more than it does Cena.
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1: It actually won't make money. Cena sells a lot of merchandise to kids who worship him as a hero. Superman became a bad guy mid-story, he wouldn't be the superhero icon that he is today. As cheesy as it sounds, Cena is supposed to stand for good. The one guy kids can count on to not be a selfish bitch like the other ones.
Two words: Hulk Hogan. Hogan's act was far more stale in 1996 than Cena's is now, granted, but it could also be argued that things move much faster now than they did back then because of the overexposure of the product.

It's all about target audience. If the WWE wants to continue having kids and families as a primary target, Cena will remain a face. If they want to make the product more adult oriented, he could turn heel and it could very well make buckets of money.

Not that I think it will happen anytime soon, mind you... but if it did, I'd do it at Royal Rumble by having him cost Rock the title... yes, we'd have to have Cena vs. Rock 2 at WM, but with a heel Cena it would be fresh... and besides, we all know Cena/Rock 2 is happening regardless.
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Fine, Rock is probably bigger than Cena, but Cena is still a massive star today. He's the biggest ratings and merchandise draw. Ratings might be down, but the blame for that goes on everyone else on the roster more than it does Cena.
lol probably? No he IS, and Cena is only a "massive" star in the wrestling world, he's not really popular mainstream wise like Rock, Austin (was) and Hogan. Rock is STILL bigger than Cena today, and Cena at his peak doesn't come close to Rock in 1999-2000.
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