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post #11 of 98 (permalink) Old 12-05-2012, 07:50 PM
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Re: Is Ziggler just glorified jobber of WWE?

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Except he's not a career midcarder. He has a guaranteed World Title coming up and is currently feuding with, and more than likely beating, the face of the fucking company.

When did Billy Gunn ever beat Austin? Where are Billy Gunn's two World Titles?
He's not got a guaranteed World Title though.

He has to beat Cena on PPV first.

He also has to successfully cash-in.

Also keep in mind, that the World Title is in fact, barely a World Title nowadays. Winning it doesn't even mean you are going to be a mainstay in main event picture for long. Two years ago, Jack Swagger and Christian were champions.
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No, he's going over John fucking Cena on the next PPV and will be World Heavyweight Champion soon. Sure, he's never been been booked that strongly, but he's not a glorified jobber.
Yes, he is. Just look at Miz. He main evented WrestleMania, had a 6 month WWE title reign and a year later he's a geek in the midcard. Ziggler is that same type of guy, where he gets pushed, but they just beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him. And that's exactly what a glorified jobber IS. Someone who they position as higher than an actual jobber, yet he constantly loses and his only purpose to the company is to enhance the real top stars.

Ziggler is never gonna be a real top guy, he doesn't have the tools, and even if he did, it's not gonna matter if WWE is just a game of favourites, which it is. Daniel Bryan, according to his overness level should be booked as well as CM Punk, yet he's a geek too. Some people just don't crack the glass ceiling. Fortunately, Ziggler is among them.

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Yes, he is. Just look at Miz. He main evented WrestleMania, had a 6 month WWE title reign and a year later he's a geek in the midcard. Ziggler is that same type of guy, where he gets pushed, but they just beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him and beat him. And that's exactly what a glorified jobber IS. Someone who they position as higher than an actual jobber, yet he constantly loses and his only purpose to the company is to enhance the real top stars.

Ziggler is never gonna be a real top guy, he doesn't have the tools, and even if he did, it's not gonna matter if WWE is just a game of favourites, which it is. Daniel Bryan, according to his overness level should be booked as well as CM Punk, yet he's a geek too. Some people just don't crack the glass ceiling. Fortunately, Ziggler is among them.
That would describe guys like Kofi, Wade, Cody, Sandow, Truth etc. Ziggler was a glorified jobber like those guys, now he's holding his own in a feud with John Cena and is very likely to be going over him at TLC. Once you become a Champion in WWE you always have the credibility of being a "former World Champion" to your name which means it doesn't matter how many times they beat you after, you're still a star and certainly not a glorified jobber, lower main eventer maybe, not a glorified jobber though. Look at some Superstars they've beaten like a drum but because they're former World Champs, they're still pretty big stars, Rey, Kane, Jericho, Christian, Bryan, Miz, Show etc etc. Obviously there can be exceptions if the performer is really really bad, e.g. Swagger, Khali, but the way I see it, once you have a respectable reign with a World Title, you're a star and can no longer be looked at as a "glorified jobber" Ziggler's about to achieve that.

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ziggler has no charisma? Lmao. No sir. You are wrong.


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Except he's not a career midcarder. He has a guaranteed World Title coming up and is currently feuding with, and more than likely beating, the face of the fucking company.

When did Billy Gunn ever beat Austin? Where are Billy Gunn's two World Titles?
Billy Gunn also feuded with The Rock. But unlike Ziggler, he was not in an era where anyone and their mother gets pushed to the main event because there's a serious lack of real stars. Ziggler is lucky to be in this era because otherwise, he would be a jobber all the way, much like he's been for a big part of this year. And the rest of his career for that matter.

And the World Heavyweight Championship is nothing more than a glorified midcard title nowadays. Even Jack Swagger has won it and you're trying to tell me he's anything more than a jobber? Lastly, are you seriously celebrating a 5 minute "title reign"?
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Except he's not a career midcarder. He has a guaranteed World Title coming up and is currently feuding with, and more than likely beating, the face of the fucking company.

When did Billy Gunn ever beat Austin? Where are Billy Gunn's two World Titles?
Gunn feuded with the most (or 2nd most) popular superstar in 1999 whose popularity was probably 5 more times than Cena ever had in his peak.

Plus an being an IC title holder (which Billy had for like 3 weeks) during that period was way more prestigious than being a WWE champion in 2012.
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Gunn feuded with the most (or 2nd most) popular superstar in 1999 whose popularity was probably 5 more times than Cena ever had in his peak.

Plus an being an IC title holder (which Billy had for like 3 weeks) during that period was way more prestigious than being a WWE champion in 2012.
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Not, it really wasn't. The IC Title meant less then than it does now.

And yes, Billy Gunn feuded with The Rock, and got RAPED. Jinder Mahal has feuded with Sheamus and Ryback this year.

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In what way is he remotely similar to Val Venis? Val Venis was a certified midcarder with a fucking porn star gimmick. Ziggler is a former and future World Champion who is a show off. Please sir, enlighten me, how are they alike?
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That would describe guys like Kofi, Wade, Cody, Sandow, Truth etc. Ziggler was a glorified jobber like those guys, now he's holding his own in a feud with John Cena and is very likely to be going over him at TLC.
Holding his own? They've had 2 matches and he's lost both of them, and that's with Cena having a kayfabe torn meniscus.

He's likely going to go over Cena at TLC, but so what? It's not gonna be clean, it's gonna be because of some bullshit like AJ turning on him or something, and that's going to be the talking point, not Ziggler winning. Then he'll continue to job to guys like Sheamus and people will forget the win.

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Once you become a Champion in WWE you always have the credibility of being a "former World Champion" to your name which means it doesn't matter how many times they beat you after, you're still a star and certainly not a glorified jobber, lower main eventer maybe, not a glorified jobber though.
He may have that tag but whether you're a world champion has nothing to do with whether they book you like a geek or not. Ziggler is a former world champion and look how fast Ryback tore his ass up on Main Event.

I don't know how to stress this enough, a glorified jobber has nothing to do with card position, a glorified jobber is somebody who is positioned higher than a jobber, yet his purpose is to lose. Is Tensai a glorified jobber? No, he's just a jobber, because they're not trying to pretend that he's NOT a jobber, he's presented exactly like one. They don't put him in big storylines and imply that he's a threat when everybody knows he isn't. Ziggler? He wins titles, he gets main events on SmackDown and Raw, he's "glorified" by the company, put in a position where he appears relevant, but at the end of the day, he's the guy who goes out and loses.

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Look at some Superstars they've beaten like a drum but because they're former World Champs, they're still pretty big stars, Rey, Kane, Jericho, Christian, Bryan, Miz, Show etc etc. Obviously there can be exceptions if the performer is really really bad, e.g. Swagger, Khali, but the way I see it, once you have a respectable reign with a World Title, you're a star and can no longer be looked at as a "glorified jobber" Ziggler's about to achieve that.
Those guys are far more marketable and charismatic than Dolph, not to mention, they haven't been beaten nearly as badly. Jericho I guess has but he's one in a billion, he's the exception, the guy who has enough charisma to fill an ocean. Not to mention he has far more accolades. Ziggler has been jobbed out unmercifully. Even Bryan hasn't been beaten as badly as Ziggler, not in terms of an entire career at least.

You're putting so much faith in WWE for nothing. Believe me, WWE KNOWS what Ziggler's role is. They didn't just magically wake up at Survivor Series after YEARS of jobbing Dolph and decide that he's going to be credible from now on. I'm telling you, he's gonna win the belt, he's gonna hold onto it in a fluky manner for 2 or 3 months, he's gonna be forced to bump like a motherfucker for Ryback at Mania and job the title to him, then he's gonna be in the same position he was in before this Cena feud, or lower. Ziggler is not the best in the world, CM Punk, at a time when he's the hottest thing in wrestling. A feud with John Cena isn't gonna turn him around.

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Re: Is Ziggler just glorified jobber of WWE?

Hes too generic, peopel just dont take him serious.

However i dont think hes a jobber at all, hes a good midcarted.
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Re: Is Ziggler just glorified jobber of WWE?

I'm willing to bet money that Ziggler will be in the same position next year as he is right now. He might end up getting his 15 minutes as world champion but that's about it. As soon as he drops the belt he's dropping back down the card, simple as that.
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