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Old 03-03-2013, 12:14 AM   #6491 (permalink)
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So, what you're saying is that this faction of guys who has been running wild through the WWE's most loved heroes should help the #1 heel in the company get a dirty win over one of the WWE's most loved characters, who has gone 20-0 so far in Wrestlemanias?

How exactly does this help them get over? Because it seems like that would be a recipe for go-away heat surpassing even the Trope Namer, X-Pac's, ability to garner go-away heat.

the fact that you dont see how that would help NEW TALENT get over really makes me wonder if you GET the business.

Taker is one of those guys who is all about tradition. He wouldnt drop the streak unless it was to someone who he felt could seriously benefit from the rub and the win. Punk and the Shield would gain SO MUCH HEAT for ending the streak. Do you have ANY idea how much that would help everyone involved? Taker doesnt really NEED the streak anymore, as he's going into the hall of fame anyway, has had a brilliant career, and knows that he will need to pass the torch at some point. It's either Punk this year, or Cena next year. IMO, the only way punk wins is if the shield are apart of the result. At which point they would gain immediate, and main event heel kind of heat.

Especially in a wrestling hotbed like the NY/NJ/CT area, where taker losing the streak to guys like the shield would garner immediate notoriety. It actually amazes me that you cant see this at all...
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the fact that you dont see how that would help NEW TALENT get over really makes me wonder if you GET the business.

Taker is one of those guys who is all about tradition. He wouldnt drop the streak unless it was to someone who he felt could seriously benefit from the rub and the win. Punk and the Shield would gain SO MUCH HEAT for ending the streak. Do you have ANY idea how much that would help everyone involved? Taker doesnt really NEED the streak anymore, as he's going into the hall of fame anyway, has had a brilliant career, and knows that he will need to pass the torch at some point. It's either Punk this year, or Cena next year. IMO, the only way punk wins is if the shield are apart of the result. At which point they would gain immediate, and main event heel kind of heat.

Especially in a wrestling hotbed like the NY/NJ/CT area, where taker losing the streak to guys like the shield would garner immediate notoriety. It actually amazes me that you cant see this at all...
Very good post bud! Loads of truth!
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Are the super-smarks going to be at WrestleMania, though? Most of the crowd is going to be from other places, places where they don't crap on the babyfaces as a matter of course.
wait wait wait...what the fuck is this? Seriously, I dont get anything you're saying on this topic.

Are you implying that it's the CASUALS who spend thousands of dollars to attend a wrestling event once a year? Is that REALLY what you're insinuating here? Please, goodness, I hope it isnt.
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I understand about "the rub" and putting over the younger generation and all that. Thank you for attempting to explain. I grasp the concept. What I am saying is that from a narrative standpoint, a run-in screwjob of an ending to something that has been built up as the Rubicon no one can cross - like The Streak - would be very unsatisfying to a large portion of the viewing audience. Even if it was the lead up to an amazing plotline, like a Punk face redemption, or an NWOesque faction's domination, I don't think it would be embraced as a good storytelling decision.

Punk wins clean, there will be critics who are not pleased. But it is not the end of the world, and sets us up for WM30, with a rematch and (hopefully) retirement. Heyman World Order screws over The Undertaker, and there will be tears and recriminations.

As for who's buying WrestleMania seats, I think we need to define our terms better. There are Smarks - crotchety old characters like us who watch tape from the indies and dissect motivations of fictional characters and fantasy book when we should be working or whatever. There are Fans - who love the product, for the most part, and cheer for who they're supposed to, with a few exceptions. And then there are Casuals - they might catch an episode of RAW or watch a PPV at a sports bar, but they're not invested.
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I understand about "the rub" and putting over the younger generation and all that. Thank you for attempting to explain. I grasp the concept. What I am saying is that from a narrative standpoint, a run-in screwjob of an ending to something that has been built up as the Rubicon no one can cross - like The Streak - would be very unsatisfying to a large portion of the viewing audience. Even if it was the lead up to an amazing plotline, like a Punk face redemption, or an NWOesque faction's domination, I don't think it would be embraced as a good storytelling decision.

Punk wins clean, there will be critics who are not pleased. But it is not the end of the world, and sets us up for WM30, with a rematch and (hopefully) retirement. Heyman World Order screws over The Undertaker, and there will be tears and recriminations.

As for who's buying WrestleMania seats, I think we need to define our terms better. There are Smarks - crotchety old characters like us who watch tape from the indies and dissect motivations of fictional characters and fantasy book when we should be working or whatever. There are Fans - who love the product, for the most part, and cheer for who they're supposed to, with a few exceptions. And then there are Casuals - they might catch an episode of RAW or watch a PPV at a sports bar, but they're not invested.
you just have no idea how to book. You book the run in in a way that makes everyone come out looking strong. You are assuming that it will be a run-in that squashes taker in a handful of seconds. Anyone with half a brain (even WWE creative staff have at least that much upstairs) can book this properly.


And my point still stands...that audience is going to be mainly made up of the die hards who cheer and boo WHO THEY WANT, not WHO THEY ARE TOLD TO. You are still saying that theres a chance that the majority of the crowd wont be smarks. NY/NJ is full of smarks, and I know at least 25 people in this area going. You can extrapolate that out, and I'd say a good 40% of the crowd will be from the area, and loaded with smarks.Those front row seats wont be taken by the kids who have to be in bed at 9:30.
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The only reason I would book a dirty finish to end something as momentous (in storyline) as The Streak would be a long Taker return run, leading to his retirement after he gets the win back - at a meaningful PPV like SummerSlam or Night of Champions, not some rand-o PPV. And I've seen nothing to indicate that he's doing any more than Wrestlemania and the Raws leading up to it.

This is my personal preference in storytelling. Your tastes may differ.

As for your extrapolations and who's going to be in the audience? I haven't seen a Wrestlemania in several many years and your accounting would even get the side-eye from the government for accuracy. So, it remains to be seen whether WM will be smarky or fannish.
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yeh, I forgot that only the badass adults at 18 goes to wrestling nowadays...
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At ppvs it's a strong majority that are what you're saying right here. You can hear it every ppv that comes around! Try listening next time and you'll see just how powerful those audience ppv voices are.
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come on, stop being ignorant, man. This isnt just another wrestling show. You make it like this is a run of the mill episode of raw or smackdown in grand rapids michigan or some shit.

This is Wrestle-fucking-MANIA in the biggest market in the united states. You're not going to have the cena kids sitting in the front row. You may have a few who have rich parents, but the majority of the arena is going to be dominated by smarks from the local area and the die hards from around the world.

This makes it all the more important for the Shield to go over BIG at mania.
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The only reason I would book a dirty finish to end something as momentous (in storyline) as The Streak would be a long Taker return run, leading to his retirement after he gets the win back - at a meaningful PPV like SummerSlam or Night of Champions, not some rand-o PPV. And I've seen nothing to indicate that he's doing any more than Wrestlemania and the Raws leading up to it.

This is my personal preference in storytelling. Your tastes may differ.

As for your extrapolations and who's going to be in the audience? I haven't seen a Wrestlemania in several many years and your accounting would even get the side-eye from the government for accuracy. So, it remains to be seen whether WM will be smarky or fannish.


you havent seen WM in YEARS and you're making bold statements about the attendance? are you high? Like seriously...at least I have some facts to go on, like you know, watching the last few Manias....you, however, are making wild assumptions based around what you think is likely. And the government (not sure why you brought them into a conversation about wrestling) would turn a side eye to ME for my assumptions?

there isnt enough or in the world that can account for how silly you look right now.
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