[BKelly237]

Is it possible The Shield is working for AJ? I can see Rock pinning Punk, and then the Shield attacks Rock post-match so that Dolph can come out and cash in his MITB.

[450clash12x]

they need to have a match again soon i feel, i really enjoyed it when it first started but i do feel that its getting stale, they need to shake things up and with the attacks on orton i feel that it'll come out orton was behind it and thats the big heel turn

[x78]

Originally Posted by truk83

Sting sucks, and I never watched WCW while he was on. Get over the fact that The Shield is stale like your mother's hair from smoking Newport cigarettes so much.

I'm not talking about the merits of Sting, I'm talking about an angle that is universally regarded as one of the hottest of all time, that almost drove WWF out of business and forced them to introduce the Attitude Era in order to try and keep up in the ratings. You talk about wanting to be a booker, well that is booking, that's one of the most popular angles ever regardless of whether you like Sting or not. And it certainly wouldn't have worked if they had hot-shotted the whole thing and condensed it into a couple of weeks.

[Cookie Monster]

Ambrose is definitely getting bigger!

[Boygirl]

Originally Posted by truk83

What I am saying is that I have watched Sting, when I was younger. He sucked as I got older. The whole face paint thing, and his act was stale. He was WCW's Hogan. That shit is for kids. Even his Crow gimmick sucked. Don't get me started on Sting, I am not a fan of Sting at all. I have met him on several occasions, and he is a dick. The worst PR person ever. I used to live down south, and I went to WCW events. Sting was a dick, and I can see why he is a born again. Everyone talks about Shawn Michaels being a dick backstage. Steve Borden was an asshole to his fans.

His whole gimmick was a rip off of The Ultimate Warrior. Warrior has said several times, and Sting has even admitted that Warrior came up with the look that they both went, and used in their singles careers. His name isn't original, and I am surprised he wasn't taken to court by the real Sting, who used to sing in a band called The Police throughout the 80's. He basically used the Scorpion Death lock knowing that Hart had already made it a popular wrestling finisher. Hart was already a more established name than Sting, and here was Sting taking his move.

Had it not been for Flair. Where would Sting's career be? Let us not forget this is the same man who ended Rick Rude's career. Sting's whole career is basically a feud with Ric Flair. Flair made Sting popular. Whereas Warrior pretty much made his own name. Sting obviously the better worker, I guess, but Warrior went over the biggest babyface of the decade in the 80's at WM 6 (WM 6 was not in the 80's), clean. Sting had classic bouts with stars to, but I would say that those stars made him. Especially Flair, and guys like Austin who would carry him through matches in their early days with WCW. His mic skills weren't great, and he always seemed like he was shouting into the mic for no reason. His generic "He's a Man Called Sting" theme was awful, and he used it for years.

Nothing about the man is original, not his name, his finisher at the time he used it, his look was a rip off of Warriors idea, he stole the Crow look, and Flair made his ass famous. Even more recently he ripped off the Heath Ledger "Joker" look in TNA. When is he ever going to come up with something of his own? Don't get me wrong he was a popular star while he was in NWA, WCW, and currently TNA. He has a cult following, but I'm not part of that following. I'm not even going to remotely respect him as a professional wrestler because as a person he was a dick. None of his matches are memorable because of his work, it's the work by his opponents like Flair, Nikita, Vader, Arn Anderson, DDP, Rick Rude, Bobby Eaton, and so on. He was fortunate to work with some of the best talents in the ring back then.

People forget how good the talent NWA, and WCW had in terms of skilled ring workers. They may not have all been huge superstars for Vince, but NWA/WCW had solid ring workers. Guys like Tully Blanchard, William Regal, Fit Finlay, Barry Windham and others really helped out many of the green newbies in the early days like Sting. However, nothing about Sting's matches tells me he is one of the best wrestlers in the world. Whereas stars like HBK, Austin, HHH, CM Punk, Kurt Angle, Jericho, Eddie, Dean Malenko, Rey Mysterio, etc are light years ahead of him. He never rank high in my eyes only because he is the most overrated professional "babyface" of all time. I realize that I am on the outside here, and I accept that. This is not a troll thread. I just can't stand Sting. Sorry folks.

I may be a fan of his, but this is one of the best rebuttals I've seen in WF for a while.

[Dub J]

Originally Posted by truk83

His whole gimmick was a rip off of The Ultimate Warrior. Warrior has said several times, and Sting has even admitted that Warrior came up with the look that they both went, and used in their singles careers.

You look back at any wrestler's gimmick and an argument can be made that he "ripped off" someone that preceded him. That's because wrestling has been around so long that pretty much everything has been done. It comes down to what that wrestler does with his gimmick (whether original or borrowed). Hell, Damien Sandow's gimmick is a pretty obvious copycat of Lanny Poffo's but I would rather watch Sandow than Poffo any day of the week.

I really don't see how Sting "stole" Warrior's gimmick considering they both broke into wrestling around the same time. I remember seeing them live in the 80s when they were teaming as Sting and Rock. Ultimate Warrior was Rock back then. Does that make Dwayne Johnson a cheesy ripoff because he goes by "Rock"?

Really the only thing Sting and Warrior have in common is face paint. I don't recall Sting snarling, growling, and speaking in riddles/jibberish. Reminds me of back when anyone that shaved their head was supposedly a Stone Cold ripoff. There's more to a gimmick than appearance.

As far as the Scorpion Deathlock being a knockoff of the Sharpshooter, I remember Ronnie Garvin and Sting both using that move before Bret Hart. Riki Choshu was using it before both of them.

[CM Jewels]

I've missed the last 3 weeks. Cliff's notes?

[Eddie Ray]

Originally Posted by CM Jewels

I've missed the last 3 weeks. Cliff's notes?

nothing note worthy apart from them handing Rock his ass...that was pretty cool. especially with the theatrics of punk in the skybox...seriously watch it, its kinda Shakespearean in its visual presentation with the villain watching from above as his men takes down the hero.

[iamnotanugget]

Lawler speaks on The Shield

And what about The Shield, a group everyone is talking about?
Lawler: I think that what they’ve done with those guys and the way they have been presented has been very good in making a fast impact. I think now their characters need to be a little more developed, in other words, let’s see a little more about these guys as individuals. You can of course still keep them as a unit but you can also hear more from them.
I’m a firm believer that if a guy doesn’t get the opportunity to talk every week that there’s only a certain point he is going to get to. A guy has to be given the opportunity to talk one way or the other and that’s going to make or break a guy. I feel like those guys will be able to do that, but I think we need to hear more from them to get to the next level.
I do see those parallels and I think you’ll agree that the Nexus shot up fast and got to that certain level and then it just kind of petered out. I would hate to see that happen to these three guys and that’s why I say it needs to go to that next level and I feel like in order to do that they’ll need to have a little bit of a different kind of exposure other than just those hit-and-run type things.
I think that gets to a point where it angers the fans first at the members of The Shield but the longer it goes on without these guys developing some more character it angers the fans at the WWE and they ask ‘Hey, why do you keep letting this go on like this? Something more needs to be done.’
They’re all interesting characters. Ambrose reminds me of the Joker from Batman. The Heath Ledger one. It’s almost like I can just see that he’s got that kind of personality that people associated with that villain and he could go places with it. That’s why I think they need to change them up a little bit.

[swagger_ROCKS]

hmm all signs point to them working for Punk. The Shield have made sure he has kept the title at all times. My safest bet would be that Paul Haymen simply isn't telling Punk that he's behind it.