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Old 11-19-2012, 01:25 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Moxley is gonna beat Cena clean tomorrow and gonna eventually be the new face of the company.

Ok, I'm being facetious, but a post of that nature might come up thanks to the marking level right now. I'm not gonna be that delusional. I'll enjoy seeing Black & Moxley on the program no matter what roles they play. It's just fun to know wrestlers I really enjoy are gonna get their time on a bigger stage like Monday Night RAW.

Watch as the 3 new guys might not even show up or till the very last moment of RAW. That could make this place explode with a negative reaction.
Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen. That would be awful.

They need to cut a group promo the way Evolution did during their "unveiling" on that historic episode of Raw all those years ago. A promo that convinces the audience that this group represents the future of WWE, with Punk as the head, Heyman as the managing shepherd, Rollins as the undergraduate pupil who's apt to turn babyface on his mentor down the road, Reigns as the brutish, hulking enforcer and Ambrose as the complete wildcard.

Hope they pull it off, and let them look strong. And not just for one night or a couple of weeks but for a sustained period of time. Maybe give the babyfaces some rays of hope around the holidays but otherwise, it should be nearly complete dominance by these guys. You only make your babyfaces stronger with that strategy while obviously boosting the credibility and image of your heels.

Welp, I know WWE's gonna fuck this up.

Prove me wrong, Vince. In fact, Vince... Just go away. Let Triple H, Punk and Heyman book it.
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Hope they pull it off, and let them look strong. And not just for one night or a couple of weeks but for a sustained period of time. Maybe give the babyfaces some rays of hope around the holidays but otherwise, it should be nearly complete dominance by these guys. You only make your babyfaces stronger with that strategy while obviously boosting the credibility and image of your heels.

Welp, I know WWE's gonna fuck this up.

Prove me wrong, Vince. In fact, Vince... Just go away. Let Triple H, Punk and Heyman book it.
Sigh, the story of our lives.

Fingers crossed on this being every bit as good as it is supposed to be.

I have faith because I believe Heyman and Punk have been planning this since at least the summer. The tweet in my sig is from July and we're just now seeing it come to fruition in November. It's an exciting time to be a wrestling fan again.
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Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen. That would be awful.

They need to cut a group promo the way Evolution did during their "unveiling" on that historic episode of Raw all those years ago. A promo that convinces the audience that this group represents the future of WWE, with Punk as the head, Heyman as the managing shepherd, Rollins as the undergraduate pupil who's apt to turn babyface on his mentor down the road, Reigns as the brutish, hulking enforcer and Ambrose as the complete wildcard.

Hope they pull it off, and let them look strong. And not just for one night or a couple of weeks but for a sustained period of time. Maybe give the babyfaces some rays of hope around the holidays but otherwise, it should be nearly complete dominance by these guys. You only make your babyfaces stronger with that strategy while obviously boosting the credibility and image of your heels.

Welp, I know WWE's gonna fuck this up.

Prove me wrong, Vince. In fact, Vince... Just go away. Let Triple H, Punk and Heyman book it.
Only came up with that thought via not knowing what their plan for them is. Vague response, but you never know if they go for some dumb angle to where Punk & Heyman try to deny any association with them a la Brad Maddox. Holding off on things when it should be, as you said, established from the immediate start.

I'm getting a Nexus vibe here overall. Not in any real terms of similarities. More-so on the idea that they have this new plan that's sparked great interest for their company only with the lingering thought that they could fuck it up. We all know, or at least I thought so, Nexus was great upon its start. It had its eventual decline, but it had its time on top. That's what this new faction needs, only OBVIOUSLY w/o the decline. Let the decline come in the story. By dissension or something on that level. (great call, we ALL know Black can pull from the group as a face no problem. AOTF style) Don't let bad booking ruin this. That's my one request I plea to the WWE at this moment. Let this pay off for at least Black & Moxley. They've excelled in FCW/NXT respectively. So now lets give them due and establish them on the main roster.

We'll be able to form more of an opinion after tomorrow. Right now I'm liking the prospect of this. I'll keep an open mind. The marking/excitement probably is the cause for that.
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That is cool, CM Jewels. Good point. There seem to be signs that this was at least tentatively planned by some of the major players themselves.
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Only came up with that thought via not knowing what their plan for them is. Vague response, but you never know if they go for some dumb angle to where Punk & Heyman try to deny any association with them a la Brad Maddox. Holding off on things when it should be, as you said, established from the immediate start.

I'm getting a Nexus vibe here overall. Not in any real terms of similarities. More-so on the idea that they have this new plan that's sparked great interest for their company only with the lingering thought that they could fuck it up. We all know, or at least I thought so, Nexus was great upon its start. It had its eventual decline, but it had its time on top. That's what this new faction needs, only OBVIOUSLY w/o the decline. Let the decline come in the story. By dissension or something on that level. (great call, we ALL know Black can pull from the group as a face no problem. AOTF style) Don't let bad booking ruin this. That's my one request I plea to the WWE at this moment. Let this pay off for at least Black & Moxley. They've excelled in FCW/NXT respectively. So now lets give them due and establish them on the main roster.

We'll be able to form more of an opinion after tomorrow. Right now I'm liking the prospect of this. I'll keep an open mind. The marking/excitement probably is the cause for that.
Great collection of thoughts, and I agree that there are some obvious parallels between this new faction and the impact Nexus made when they debuted and all of that.

The prospect is high. I think what helps is that WWE really chose three good, well-rounded individuals who each represent something unique and different from one another in this faction. Ambrose, Reigns and Rollins... You almost couldn't get three more different guys from one another from WWE's "farm," so to speak, together than these three. And yet they all somehow fit, it would seem, in the group, right off the bat.

In that sense--and also that this is a limited number of men, rather than Nexus which sort of ran the risk, immediately, of seeming ill-formed and bloated compared to most of the highly effective stables of the past--I think this faction actually has the potential to completely outdo Nexus from its inception, its progression and its conclusion.

Of course, all the potential in the world can't buy results, so it's up to WWE to foster what they've given birth to and do right by it. We'll see, but for the moment I'll take a glass of optimism juice and cross my fingers and wear the red tropical shirt tomorrow night that I'm sure aided the Giants through the postseason last month and everything else to hope and believe and ensure that this faction has the appropriate launch.
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Ryback to destroy Ambrose in the 10pm slot, you all know it.
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Great collection of thoughts, and I agree that there are some obvious parallels between this new faction and the impact Nexus made when they debuted and all of that.

The prospect is high. I think what helps is that WWE really chose three good, well-rounded individuals who each represent something unique and different from one another in this faction. Ambrose, Reigns and Rollins... You almost couldn't get three more different guys from one another from WWE's "farm," so to speak, together than these three. And yet they all somehow fit, it would seem, in the group, right off the bat.

In that sense--and also that this is a limited number of men, rather than Nexus which sort of ran the risk, immediately, of seeming ill-formed and bloated compared to most of the highly effective stables of the past--I think this faction actually has the potential to completely outdo Nexus from its inception, its progression and its conclusion.

Of course, all the potential in the world can't buy results, so it's up to WWE to foster what they've given birth to and do right by it. We'll see, but for the moment I'll take a glass of optimism juice and cross my fingers and wear the red tropical shirt tomorrow night that I'm sure aided the Giants through the postseason last month and everything else to hope and believe and ensure that this faction has the appropriate launch.
First thing that jumped into my head when I read about the results tonight. Nexus.

Absolutely I say the prospect is high. I'm not gonna pretend I am, but I'm pretty unfamiliar with Reigns. Recently heard he's related to former WWE wrestler Rosey. So, he's apart of that large Samoan heritage that's been synonymous with WWE for decades. There's potential there by name basis alone. Funny, how after I heard that I also jumped onto Priceless back in 2008 as a trio. Although, I probably shouldn't bring up Manu since he didn't really reap the rewards of a successful WWE career. Back on topic...then you have Black & Moxley who I'm plenty familiar with and know have the tools to be presented in order to make this work. Moxley is the mic guy and Black can be the athlete of the bunch. I'm gonna go out on a limb to claim they might make a strong duo considering their chemistry with each other. It fit so well as opponents that it could be there as teammates. Where these 3 have their differences, that's where they find their strength collectively, I'd imagine.

Potential doesn't bring home the bacon, as they say. It can sound good all it wants, although we have to see where it goes. That's what matters. You're on the money there. While I've only recently soured on the current WWE product over the last few months - I can firmly say that this is gonna be the most anticipated RAW for me since the post WrestleMania show. If your shirt has any cosmic powers, then by all means wear it. We all want this to this work out beautifully.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:20 AM   #48 (permalink)
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They have failed time and time again at every potential angle the past few years.
I'm only giving this one a chance because of all the people involved, and how everything is playing out.
If tomorrow is as good as we're all hoping it to be then we could finally be turning the page to a new chapter.
But we won't really know until around Mania time if all of this potential will come to fruition.
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I bet they don't put Punk with them as a stable. But it's something to look forward too.

But I have this feeling (:Brock) that they wont use the NXT guys at RAW.
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I:m pretty excited for raw. Also interesting to see where this goes. I'm worried this could end like Maddox and all 3 will get squashed my Ryback
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