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Re: Has Punk Ever Beat Cena Clean?

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It doesn't matter. He's beaten Cena more times than Cena has beaten him.
Not correct. If we count all time 1 on 1's, Cena leads by one. If we count tag teams, Cena leads by far. I read that on one wrestling site that keeps count of every wrestling event and is 100% accurate but I'm not sure should I say it 'cuz of advertising....
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Oh, I forgot about that SNME match completely. Probably because Cena beat him the night after, rendering it useless. What a waste of a clean loss.
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Re: Has Punk Ever Beat Cena Clean?

Cena is the golden boy nobody can surely beat him clean
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MITB was clean, in my eyes. If I recall correctly, Punk kicked out of two AAs, and Cena kicked out of one GTS. The second GTS got him. Punk showed more resilience, determination and skill in the match than Cena. He was able to kick out of more of Cena's finisher than Cena was of Punk's. He won.
And all of that means nothing until you get to the finish. Vince/Johnny came out and distracted Cena (unintentionally or not, it's still a distraction), as a result of that, Cena was off his guard and Punk was prepared to hit the GTS immediately. Now, had Cena turned around and him and Punk had a 5 minute staredown or they just continued the match as normal (basically anything other than Punk getting the win immediately) then the finish could still have been clean. But as it stands, it's probably just the "least dirty" finish, not a clean one.

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Nope. Besides Rock, HHH, and HBK, I can't remember anyone beating Cena clean post-2008, not even Orton.
Orton beat Cena at Hell in A Cell 2009, although the ref got knocked out and didnt see Orton tap out to the STF. Eventually the ref woke up and later in the match Orton won with the Punt


IDK if that'd be considered clean or not though
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Re: Has Punk Ever Beat Cena Clean?

Who actually has ever beaten Cena clean since WM21? That is a list of like 5 people.
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Orton beat Cena at Hell in A Cell 2009, although the ref got knocked out and didnt see Orton tap out to the STF. Eventually the ref woke up and later in the match Orton won with the Punt


IDK if that'd be considered clean or not though
That's not clean, but Orton did go over both Cena and HHH clean at Wrestlemania 24. JBL also beat Cena clean in that Parking Lot Brawl and Batista at SummerSlam 08 is another obvious one.
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Batista, randy Orton and big show right off the top of my head have beaten cena clean within the past 4 years

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Re: Has Punk Ever Beat Cena Clean?

I don't think either man really has a 100% clean win over the other but i do know that CM Punk has beaten John Cena more often than John Cena has beaten CM Punk going back to their mini feud that began in late 2010 and carried on through to The Royal Rumble in 2011 before Cena/Punk and Orton/Miz was swapped around. If you look at big matches though on PPV then i don't recall John Cena EVER beating CM Punk and i fully expect John Cena to be the one pinned by CM Punk in the Triple Threat match at Survivor Series as well.

As for people having beaten John Cena clean i can think of The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Batista, Randy Orton, Big Show, JBL and Sheamus over the last few years that instantly come to mind and some of them hold more than one clean win over John Cena as well. Compare that to how many times Hulk Hogan or Stone Cold Steve Austin lost at all throughout their WHOLE runs as the top guy in WWE let alone how many times either of them lost clean, off the top of my head i could list the following.

In his two runs in WWE which was around ten years and included an eight year run as top guy Hulk Hogan lost clean to The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle and The Ultimate Warrior cleanly whilst Andre The Giant, The Undertaker, Triple H and Yokozuna can be added to those who have wins over Hulk Hogan.

In his run as top guy in WWE Stone Cold Steve Austin lost clean to The Rock, Mankind in a Triple Threat and Triple H to cleanly whilst The Undertaker, Kurt Angle, Kane, Chris Jericho and Vince McMahon and Shane McMahon can be added to those who also have wins over Stone Cold Steve Austin.

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Re: Has Punk Ever Beat Cena Clean?

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Yeah, nah. That's not it. Like I said, if anyone went by that mindset in their head's then so many wrestling matches don't end clean. Especially on the "decisive" 1-2-3 part. So a flash pin can't be considered clean? Yeah right. Once again, the term is really lost on people. Cena let the two distract him. That's his fault from a character perspective. He could have remained in the hold and all that jazz. Would have won too considering what Vince wanted to do. Cena took his focus off of Punk. Punk hit GTS and pinned him. No elements claim that to be a dirty victory. It's mere psychology to the story. Not every clean victory is gonna be booked the same. It's like a Flair victory in the 80's. Taking a non-partisan advantage to nab the win. Your "cookie-cutter" theory on a clean win has many holes.

The reasoning for why Summerslam 2011 isn't clean is odd too. "if Triple H knew Cena could continue it would have" - therefore it wasn't "clean". what? that doesn't even go with your guidelines. no interference, distraction, or cheating ever came into play so...
I'm sorry but that's what the term means. No outside involvement should be involved or it isn't clean at all no matter who is interfering and what reason they are interfering for. That is what happened with MITB 2011. It doesn't matter if it was Cena's fault he lost, the distraction led him to that loss. It wasn't a dirty victory but it wasn't clean either.

It wasn't the decisive 1-2-3. If Hunter saw Cena's foot on the ropes then the match would have continued and it would still went either way. So even that wasn't clean either.

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