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Old 11-15-2012, 10:25 AM   #771 (permalink)
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To anybody that thinks that people didn't mind this segment,and only think a few people did. Well, look at this.

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In the segment-by-segment, Randy Orton & Kofi Kingston vs. Dolph Ziggler & Alberto Del Rio lost 74,000 viewers. The angle with Vickie Guerrero, A.J. Lee, Dolph Ziggler and John Cena in the ring as well as the short Big Show vs. William Regal match gained 468,000 viewers, which is a strong showing at that point in the show. Kaitlyn vs. Layla and the clips from the package building to Lawlerís return lost 234,000 viewers. The return of Lawler, which included C.M. Punk, Paul Heyman and Mick Foley all involved gained 745,000 viewers to a 3.38 quarter hour. The end of the angle lost 876,000 viewers. Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara & Justin Gabriel & Tyson Kidd vs. Titus OíNeil & Darren Young & Primo & Epico gained 233,000 viewers in the last few minutes. R-Truth vs. Tensai lost 253,000 viewers. Ryback vs. Brad Maddox gained 755,000 viewers to a 3.28 quarter at 10 p.m. Thatís the best 10 p.m. growth in a long time, so this angle clicked. This is the first time Ryback has shown on his own the ability to really move numbers. Sheamus vs. David Otunga lost 910,000 viewers, which would be among the most viewers lost in a segment all year. Kane & The Miz vs. Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow lost 40,000 viewers. Interestingly, the lowest point of the entire show was the beginning of Cena vs. Punk, which one would think would be huge. The first half of the match lost 313,000 viewers and did a 2.42 quarter hour. It picked up at 11 p.m. for the overrun, which is probably a combo of creatures of habit coming back at 11 knowing thatís the big angle, and people tuning in early for the next show. The match by the finish had gained 528,000 viewers to a 2.99.
So 745,000 people tuned in for the segment, and by the end 876,000 left. That is a huge amount.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:28 AM   #772 (permalink)
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I think part of the problem with this stunt wasnt so much that it was outrageous. It was that it was outrageous for the sake of being outrageous, instead of to further a story. Nowhere in that promo did I say "wow, at least this is advancing an emotionally engaging story!"
Characters are stories in wrestling and this act made Punk much more dislikable.
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So 745,000 people tuned in for the segment, and by the end 876,000 left. That is a huge amount.
I never really thought that only a few people minded, but wow. Yay for being in a minority I guess.
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I can see where you're coming from, but I'm just giving WWE the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe they kept the cameras rolling on him so that the fans can just stay caught up with what's going on? It's anyone's guess, but there are plenty of people out there who just love to be "In the know" about what happens in a celeb's life. It's also possible that the footage of the paramedics trying to resuscitate Jerry backstage was staged just to add more drama to it. I don't necessarily mean that that event never truly happened, but perhaps that instance was re-created to get the fans more engaged?

As for everything else yeah Punk may be talented alright, but he is failing as a heel. He is a villain and as such he needs to act like one and sometimes that means stooping to all-time lows. I, personally, would have been more upset if Punk came out without Jerry's knowledge of what was going to happen or if Punk's jab was at people in general who suffer heart attacks. However the jab was at Jerry, whose character has a history with punk's character, and the rest of the show went on as normal from that point and Jerry wasn't even phased. It wasn't even that long ago that Punk included hurricane Sandy in a promo of his and Foley comes down to tell him off. I could be mistaken, but I didn't see a thread in here about how wrong it was or how too soon it was for Punk to mention anything about Hurricane Sandy.

This product is slowly evolving away from the innocent family friendly product that they have been dishing out for some time. I'm not saying I welcome a new attitude era or anything, but I would rather be emotionally engaged (with happiness, laughter, and anger) than to just sit there rolling my eyes and sighing through a segment. As many have said this segment got people talking it got some people truly angry or upset even after the fact. It was successful. It may not be politically correct, but sometimes you have to offend to get people more involved (art, comedy, fighting, etc).
That was what I got out of the backstage footage. That came off as completely staged, and that theory gains a little traction if this angle was booked weeks ago with everyone's consent. I seriously doubt what we saw was anything other than a dramatized version of what really happened.

I had no problem with the promo. I'd rather see Punk start getting heat by having that character emotionally invested in taking out another fan favorite, at least similar to the way that Jericho did during his feud with Punk. "Boo me because I don't like the guy you like" on top of the "boo me because I don't like you".
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So 745,000 people tuned in for the segment, and by the end 876,000 left. That is a huge amount.
i love when someone asks for numbers, thinking you cant prove them wrong...and then you go and find the numbers to make them look like a retard.

a loss that big is pretty fucking alarming. Wonder how the defenders of WWE will spin this now. "OMG RATINGS DONT MATTER" is my guess, and it'll come from the ones who are the most active in the ratings thread, no doubt.
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That was what I got out of the backstage footage. That came off as completely staged, and that theory gains a little traction if this angle was booked weeks ago with everyone's consent. I seriously doubt what we saw was anything other than a dramatized version of what really happened.

I had no problem with the promo. I'd rather see Punk start getting heat by having that character emotionally invested in taking out another fan favorite, at least similar to the way that Jericho did during his feud with Punk. "Boo me because I don't like the guy you like" on top of the "boo me because I don't like you".
Exactly and Punk can't necessarily just magically become a babyface again after the way he's been doing things lately. I'm fine with him as a heel, but this is the only real heel-ish thing he's done since every other instance was just him bantering and the crowd agreeing with him. When Jericho did the whole alcoholic thing with Punk I was emotionally invested in it because I have known people in my life who had drinking problems, but I didn't tune out. Instead I just mentally boo'd Jericho for being scum. I look forward to what Punk will do next in future episodes.
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People were obviously genuinely concerned for Heyman. They changed the channel because they couldn't bare to watch him die in the ring. Thank god Punk knows CPR or even more people might've tuned out.
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People were obviously genuinely concerned for Heyman. They changed the channel because they couldn't bare to watch him die in the ring. Thank god Punk knows CPR or even more people might've tuned out.

When that happened, at first I thought that it was going to turn into a (Punk:"Why isn't anyone helping Paul?? You all practically flew for Jerry!") type of ordeal. Or maybe that, as I stated a while back, WWE was going to have random people suffer of some sort of mysterious shut-down and I rolled my eyes. It was refreshing to see good ol Heyman just doin what he does...be a dick.
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To anybody that thinks that people didn't mind this segment,and only think a few people did. Well, look at this.



So 745,000 people tuned in for the segment, and by the end 876,000 left. That is a huge amount.
Not very surprising. There's a lot of people in the US that get offended by everything, so that should have been downright shocking to many. Of course, had the joke been about people starving in Africa, or the military killing some Muslims, people would have been fine because they have no relation to those people.

Personally I just didn't think the segment was very well written.

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I didn't have a problem with the segment but it seems that the larger audience has spoke as nearly a million people tuned out once Punk and Heyman started, I guess that means it didn't work it WWE will have to back track on it with an apologies or something.
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