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post #661 of 833 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 10:42 PM
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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

Anyone who was offended by this must have started watching wrestling rather recently, because this is pretty standard fare for heels. Was Heyman faking a heart attack cheap and evil? Yes. That was the point, though. CM Punk and Paul Heyman are evil characters -- emphasis on characters. Let's remind ourselves this is a work of fiction.

The new Bond villain kills people. Killing is worse than poking fun, so should we be crying foul about him, too? Or about any movie character who is evil? No, because that'd be ridiculous. Has wrestling really gone so soft in recent years that something as mundane as a fake heart attack promo (which was signed off on before it aired) would rub people the wrong way? Have people really forgotten that this is fictionalized and that these people are actors?
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Oh, and by the way... 67 pages of discussion on this board alone, debates firing up all over the Internet. It's buzzworthy. People are talking about it. Offensive or not, this is working.
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Anyone who was offended by this must have started watching wrestling rather recently, because this is pretty standard fare for heels. Was Heyman faking a heart attack cheap and evil? Yes. That was the point, though. CM Punk and Paul Heyman are evil characters -- emphasis on characters. Let's remind ourselves this is a work of fiction.

The new Bond villain kills people. Killing is worse than poking fun, so should we be crying foul about him, too? Or about any movie character who is evil? No, because that'd be ridiculous. Has wrestling really gone so soft in recent years that something as mundane as a fake heart attack promo (which was signed off on before it aired) would rub people the wrong way? Have people really forgotten that this is fictionalized and that these people are actors?
No shit it's a work. You don't have to have started watching wrestling recently to find this disgusting an tasteless. The shit before this was just as tasteless.
To compare this to movies makes that post sound ridiculous. Obvious difference:
Lawler went through a REAL LIFE heart attack. Not some kayfabe shit. Something that had fans nervous and praying and hoping Jerry makes it. And he did. They started the disgustingness when they actually made a video package about it with actual footage. #why
Punk and Heyman gained no additional heat, the crowd was silent, and Punk's jokes were beyond corny. This is the type of shit that makes wrestling as a whole look tasteless. There's a fictional character doing fictional shit. Then there's a real life situation made into a joke. No real way to defend shit like this. Deserves every piece of hate it gets.


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Oh, and by the way... 67 pages of discussion on this board alone, debates firing up all over the Internet. It's buzzworthy. People are talking about it. Offensive or not, this is working.
Still doesn't justify it. Looks better to see 67 pages on what happened at the end of Raw. Not the most disgusting cheap heat tactic this year. This isn't a good thing or something for them to be proud of. But then again, it's WWE. They don't care. The show was awful anyway.


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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

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Anyone who was offended by this must have started watching wrestling rather recently, because this is pretty standard fare for heels. Was Heyman faking a heart attack cheap and evil? Yes. That was the point, though. CM Punk and Paul Heyman are evil characters -- emphasis on characters. Let's remind ourselves this is a work of fiction.

The new Bond villain kills people. Killing is worse than poking fun, so should we be crying foul about him, too? Or about any movie character who is evil? No, because that'd be ridiculous. Has wrestling really gone so soft in recent years that something as mundane as a fake heart attack promo (which was signed off on before it aired) would rub people the wrong way? Have people really forgotten that this is fictionalized and that these people are actors?
a movie is a movie bro, making fun of a real life event is real, if you view being offended by mocking a heart attack soft than you have some real issues
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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

Maybe Saturday Morning Slam will be more up your alleys.
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Edgy is not always better but edgy is more realistic. And what is more realistic than a bad guy mocking a heart attack of someone who just returned?
If someone breaks his leg and you dislike the guy the first thing you do is making fun of his leg
Of course some people are shocked but that is the purpose. South Park would not be so successful if nobody would give a fuck.
I am not saying "HART ATTACK! ATTITUDE ERA IZ BACK", I say that this could be the step in the new direction of WWE, especially after the senate BS. When you want to start something you need something to shock people or at least make them feel uncomfortable.
Many Christians also felt uncomfortable during the Austin 3:16 promo or when Undertaker crucified Austin.
If you want to shock a little WWE fan all you have to do is making Cena lose or making him joining the Nexus but if you want to shock adults you need to be more creative because the older fans have seen it all.
Nobody talks about the Ziggler/Vickie/AJ segment except of little WWE marks who are excited because Cena saved AJ
Breaking a leg isn't life threatening. And those crucifixions and whatnot, while over the top, were also not treated as a joke or particularly disrespectful (used to mock Jesus or something, for example). Of course you are right, it did still piss people off, the same way the violence in general pissed people off but there's a big difference with taking a real life issue and mocking it or using it for a cheap storyline and publicity. Just see Hawk's suicide storyline.

If they were trying to get people talking it worked, though not in a good way. They could always have just started booking better storylines and characters, but then again I guess going for the cheap shock publicity is a lot easier.

Thing is, we just watched the guy nearly die on live television. Though I wasn't "offended" by Punk's promo I nevertheless felt uncomfortable and can understand why others might be. It was just all around disrespectful and unnecessary, whether he agreed to it (and I'm sure he did which certainly makes a difference) or not.

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I think we figured out who Saturday Morning Slam is marketed to. All of you vagina's.
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I don't think some of you understand. They were making fun of a situation where a guy almost died. Guess whatever gets you over. Tells you how incapable Punk is that he needs to stoop so low for cheap heat to get heel heat. It has nothing to do with being sensitive, its just downright fucked up and wrong on a lot of levels. I wouldn't be surprised if WWE lost sponsors from this.

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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

Have some respect, a man almost died! Luckily CM Punk saved Paul.

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Re: Punk & Heyman mocking King's heart attack

Jerry obviously agreed to it - so what are you all getting your panties in a bunch for? I'm losing more faith in humanity than I gain, reading these boards.


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