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Old 11-13-2012, 06:56 PM   #631 (permalink)
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I thought the whole thing was a disgrace I'm sorry but there was no need for it but the WWE are the biggest hypocrites out there. Considering they just had a massive campaign for Brest cancer I really hope they got fined for that promo
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Really? Please remind me of when they did an angle based on an reality event where someone nearly died?

There were a lot of things which were brutal but they were staged and the angle themselves pulled you in. They didn't use cheap heat methods such as that.

Anyone else getting slightly iritated by people keep saying that?
The wife of Brian Pillman interviewed on Raw 24 hours after the death of her husband.
Now try to top that with any low moment you and all other smartasses and this comes from a big Attitude Era fan.

I am just sick of all people posting for months how they want edgier TV like in the AE and when something happens you post that AE never stooped that low.

Melanie Pillman interview, continuing Over the Edge, using the daughter Dakota for a extreme love triangle storyline between Goldust, Marlena and Pillman with the little girl appearing in the segments, Jim Ross appearing on TV right only a couple of weeks after the Bell's palsy when he couldn't properly speak and still cut promos as heel where you could barely understand him, Owen Hart proudly presenting a "Owen 3:16" shirt after almost paralyzing Steve Austin

Stop pretending like AE was so special because they were so edgy but never stooped that low. I listed many moments that were even lower.
The Attitude Era had many "tell me he didn't just say that" and "tell me he didn't just do that" moments and on Monday it was one of these moments.

Attitude Era was dirty and without taboos and that's why they had great ratings, PPV buys and kicked the ass of WCW because we liked those kind of segments
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this wasn't attitude era but rey and batista were in the ring talking about eddie when batista blasted out "EDDIE'S DEAD!"
Worst moment for Batistas career I felt for him that day
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To be honest, I don't see what the problem is. Did I find it funny? Not really. But look at like this, you can't really get angry for Lawlers sake because he obviously endorsed the segment. And as for it being offensive to people who have had a heart attack or lost someone to one, I don't see how the WWE spoofing a heart attack is any different to a sitcom or movie containing a scene where someone pretends to have a heart attack. South Park has offensive stuff like that all the time and yet half the people calling this segment offensive probably love South Park.

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I found the entire segment tasteless. I'm sure Jerry agreed but I still felt very uncomfortable during that segment. My complaint is the video package. The fact that they recorded Jerry while he was dying (Lawler was clinically dead for 15 minutes apparently) was blatant exploitation. It's even worse that they aired it on tv. I'm all for an edgier product but I don't really recall the attitude era using real life near death situations (Droz being paralyzed was never aired, Owen Harts fall never aired, etc) for cheap heat. Life goes on though and as long as Jerry Lawler is okay than I guess we should move on.
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Just saw the segment and it was pretty awesome, lighten up people.
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Walter White is a fictional character portrayed in a story with other fictional characters, living fictional events.

CM Punk is a fictional character portrayed in a story with other fictional characters reenacting and mocking serious real life events.

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I'd say that taking that stance removes everything thought provoking about fiction. It's when taken about as seriously as real events that you actually find some interesting points.
I've already chimed in on the heart attack scenario, but this struck me as interesting.

The fictional universe of Walter White is supposed to be the real world and the 'fictional' stories are based in reality. Should ex-junkies or those with relatives that have died of Meth abuse take issue with the show? This mentality can carry through to so many things...and does as we see through the responses in this thread or the myriad issues brought forth by 'watchdogs', concerned parents and the like.
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Did I have a moral problem with it? No

Did I think it was incredibly stupid? Yes
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The wife of Brian Pillman interviewed on Raw 24 hours after the death of her husband.
Now try to top that with any low moment you and all other smartasses and this comes from a big Attitude Era fan.

I am just sick of all people posting for months how they want edgier TV like in the AE and when something happens you post that AE never stooped that low.

Melanie Pillman interview, continuing Over the Edge, using the daughter Dakota for a extreme love triangle storyline between Goldust, Marlena and Pillman with the little girl appearing in the segments, Jim Ross appearing on TV right only a couple of weeks after the Bell's palsy when he couldn't properly speak and still cut promos as heel where you could barely understand him, Owen Hart proudly presenting a "Owen 3:16" shirt after almost paralyzing Steve Austin

Stop pretending like AE was so special because they were so edgy but never stooped that low. I listed many moments that were even lower.
The Attitude Era had many "tell me he didn't just say that" and "tell me he didn't just do that" moments and on Monday it was one of these moments.

Attitude Era was dirty and without taboos and that's why they had great ratings, PPV buys and kicked the ass of WCW because we liked those kind of segments
See, I understand what you mean. Attitude did have a lot of moments like that. What pisses me off is that people act like that's ALL Attitude was sometimes. You yourself know it was a lot more than that. I don't get the people who come into this thread and say "well Attitude would have done something like that, why can't you be happy?!" Because there was more to Attitude than just tasteless segments.

On top of that, the Attitude era stuff is so fondly remembered because of one simple principle-right place, right time. The industry wanted that at the time, and that's what they got. That's a big reason why it was so popular. You think if Hogan had still been doing his Hulkamania gimmick in 1997 people would have cared? This era...people don't want that kind of thing anymore. Dare I say, its become passe? I don't want them to do more Attitude era stuff because it will be nothing like Attitude, just a shitty revamp. So now, in and amongst all this goody two shoes crap about Breast Cancer and Make a Wish, we get this incredibly tasteless, needless segment shoehorned in. Why?

Attitude worked perfectly because of the specific talent, the demands of the fans and the general revolution in the industry the nWo angle had brought on. All those elements made it incredible. To me, this is the kind of crash TV I expect from Nitro in 2000, and I'm seeing Ed Ferrara mimic JR's Bell's Palsy. You can do it, but why would you? Why do you need to 'go there'?

Again, there's edginess in storylines...and then there's this. Melanie Pillman wasn't a cool thing to do back then, just like its not cool to do now. Its just that a lot of fans overlooked it because everything else was so great. Now...nothing else to distract from the lack of sensitivity these days.
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I found the entire segment tasteless. I'm sure Jerry agreed but I still felt very uncomfortable during that segment. My complaint is the video package. The fact that they recorded Jerry while he was dying (Lawler was clinically dead for 15 minutes apparently) was blatant exploitation. It's even worse that they aired it on tv. I'm all for an edgier product but I don't really recall the attitude era using real life near death situations (Droz being paralyzed was never aired, Owen Harts fall never aired, etc) for cheap heat. Life goes on though and as long as Jerry Lawler is okay than I guess we should move on.
I posted even worse examples in AE but now to the Owen Hart and Droz situations.
First, you can't compare it with Lawler because the one guy is dead and the other is paralized. Jerry is alive and well and they never showed any footage of him until he recovered so until a miracle happens and Droz gets well they will never release any footage of the incident, if Lawler was still in the hospital we would have no video packages of his heart attack and no Punk & Heyman promo but some people have a hard time to see he difference between Lawler and guys like Owen, Eddie or Droz.

As for Owen Hart, there is no footage anyway. When the tragedy happened the arena was dark and they showed a pre-taped interview with Kevin Kelly and him as Blue Blazer on the titantron and the cameraphones don't existed in early 1999 so there are no amateur videos
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