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Old 11-13-2012, 05:22 PM   #611 (permalink)
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Fuck reading this shit storm of a thread. Bottom line is this obviously happened because King ok'd it, so where is the issue?

Heck he let Cole make a slight jab at his recently deceased Mother before too.
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Crucifixions (Undertaker and Austin), birthing hands (Mae Young), hangings (Undertaker and Bossman), adultery (too numerous to mention), animal killings (Bossman and Al Snow), kidnappings (Undertaker and Stephanie), public castration (Val Venis), prostitution (Godfather), attempted murder (again, way too numerous to mention) and alleged bestiality (Mideon) is teenage garbage?

What the fuck kind of teenagers do YOU know?

that's the kind of shit teenage boys (mentally, some are in their 20's) find funny and edgy and think its cool. vampires! penises! whores! an old woman fucked by a giant black guy giving birth to a hand! Much like, I don't know, jackass or jersey shore.

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WORST: Jerry Lawlerís Heart Attack Now Happened In The Land Of Make-Believe

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All that said, the only thing that really bothered me about last nightís return segment is the wayyyyy too graphic use of HEART ATTACK COLLAPSE AND DEATH FOOTAGE AND HEARTBEAT NOISES in a pro wrestling video package. This is a situation that calls for clips of Lawler punching Nick Bockwinkel and getting run over by a car that one time and palling around with Adam West, not dying in front of us on wrestling. I support the idea of a wrestler using whatever happens in his personal life as fodder for angles or whatever, but they couldíve just as easily had Punk come out and make fun of him for dying without working the literal death into a video package like itís an attack from behind on the ramp.

Lawlerís heart attack has gone from being a real, tragic thing that happened to just being another part of a boring storyline weíll forget. That does a disservice to the program AND to Jerryís recovery. This is why when Lawler went down on the first place, wrestling fans and Deadspin and whoever else was all IT IS A WORK? When Punk punches a fan, people think the fanís a Stunt Granny. Shade the stories you made up with gray, WWE, not the ones that shaded themselves. Maybe weíd be able to have a little more reverence for either side.

Best/Worst: CM Punkís Confrontational Heeling, But Nothing Else About This

Iíve sorta positioned myself as the one wrestling fan of note online who gets righteously indignant when WWE starts getting prejudiced or offensive or weird. A lot of people, especially the people who donít like the column, expect a certain assholey soap-box thing about how a company that fake fights and exacerbates cultural and ethnic stereotypes should suddenly stop being itself. I get that, and I totally do it.

What Iím getting at is that if you ignore the Jerry Lawler Dying In Front Of Us For Real video package and the really forced, screamy stuff from Foley about championship title reigns and being Right Here In Columbus Ohio, I LOVED the stuff Punk and Heyman were doing. Punk being an awful person who says the things even an awful person probably wouldnít say is what brought him to the f**king dance, and has always been what made him must-see. They push Heyman as the ďscum of the EarthĒ all the time, but he mostly just says his wrestlers are great and gets punched a lot. This is the first time I can remember where Heyman actually did something deserving of all that scorn. Same with Punk. If you want people to boo Punk, this is a whole lot more effective than him saying he doesnít care what the audience thinks, because NONE of the heels care what the audience thinks, but Punkís the only one brave enough to say I BEAT YOU TO DEATH JERRY LAWLER AND IF YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH AT ME AGAIN YOU KNOW WHATíLL HAPPEN. Itís great.

I saw a lot of people on Twitter who have lost loved ones to heart attacks (or people whoíve had heart attacks themselves, like pro wrestler LuFisto) saying F**K YOU WWE and demanding apologies. I donít think thatís fair. Pro wrestling is a show that is literally about people hurting each other. You have to hurt your opponent so much he canít move long enough for you to pin him. Thereís a move called the heart punch, where a guy punches you in the heart to make you collapse. People have died from sleeper holds and piledrivers. People have been dying from punches and kicks for the entirety of human existence. If pro wrestling uses somebody getting hurt, no matter how severe, to amp up how much you love or hate someone, thatís more or less the definition of pro wrestling. Punkís a bad guy, and heís doing a really, really bad thing. Thatís good. Thatís the idea.

If pro wrestling uses largely white, largely male babyface characters to be socially cruel to women, or minorities, or people who are differently abled, or the LGBTQ community for the benefit of a largely white, largely male, perfectly abled and straight audience, it sticks out to me. Itís an extraneous thing a lazy person added to pro wrestling to sell it to a stupid audience. If a bad guy does the same thing and gets his ass kicked for it, thatís also good. Thatís teaching simple, straight-forward lessons to people impressionable enough to watch wrestling. I know, Iím one of them.

The problem is that a good guy never gets comeuppance for the hateful shit he does. Punk will look like a coward for his statements, be berated for them by people we respect (Jim Ross, Mick Foley) and get his ass kicked. He got his ass kicked last night. We didnít even have to wati. Rock calls Cena a fag (in so many words) and sells 100,000 t-shirts, wins at WrestleMania and is a popular movie star idol. Bad guys should do bad things, good guys shouldnít, and one should be accepted as ethically superior to the other. If we could get both sides operating on the same wavelength, wrestling would be pretty good, and I could shut up and just tell you which moves I liked.
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I thought it was great. Heyman played the role perfectly.
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It looks like WWE has achieved the job of getting CM Punk heat from not only the casuals, but from everyone. The question though is did they need to go this far for doing this? No. CM Punk already made himself the most hated man on the WWE roster, by interrupting Jerry "The King" Lawler's return speech, so why was it necessary to go this far? Lawler agreeing to do the segment doesn't compensate for what happened last night on Raw. Paul Heyman's fake heart attack didn't mocked Lawler, but it mocked people who had a heart attack.

I will give the WWE credit for doing something that was truly shocking, but Punk interrupting Lawler had already reached that point. I still find the "Eddie is in hell!" comment from Orton on Smackdown a couple of years ago, and the comment from Kid Kash about breaking Owen Hart's neck on TNA worse than this.
Yeah, "Eddie is in hell" is right up there in the hall of shame.

Why does Vince think these are good ideas? "You know that guy who just died and was loved? Well let's say he's in hell, you know, that place of fire, torture, anguish and suffering." "You know the guy who just had a heart attack 2 months ago? Let's have two guys start making fun of him and laughing at the situation that nearly killed him. Oh and of course, let's show footage of him nearly dying, we can't forget that." "You know, we really need to get Hunter some heat. How about we have a storyline of Kane being a necrophiliac, and then top it off with Hunter reenacting it in a funeral home inside a coffin? Yeah, that'll draw a big quarter hour."

Tragedy and human misery does not exist for you to make money off of, Vince. Specifically, other people's tragedy and misery. I don't see Vince making a storyline about a wrestler possibly not getting a title shot because of alleged steroid accusations and an upcoming WWE hearing to decide his fate. Any word on a story about a wrestler allegedly having intercourse with Stephanie when she was under age, and then coming back to face off against Vince? A little harder when you're the target...
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I'm a huge fan of CM Punk but I have to say this was typical of how shit and boring his character is now. Chicken Shit heel number 101. I miss the CM Punk from Straight Edge society, I miss the edge CM Punk during and after his shoot promo. Now we get this? Shame on WWE for ruining his character.

Oh and yes it was tasteless.
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that's the kind of shit teenage boys (mentally, some are in their 20's) find funny and edgy and think its cool. vampires! penises! whores! an old woman fucked by a giant black guy giving birth to a hand! Much like, I don't know, jackass or jersey shore.

Anyway -> http://withleather.uproxx.com/2012/1...e-raw-111212/3
Yeah, adolescent guys do think about women and dicks. They don't think about chopping dicks off. They don't think about enslaving women in a life of servitude where they have sex for money and beat them when they don't comply. And I don't think I've ever heard one person tell me they found an elderly lady being fucked was funny and edgy, let alone the stuff about it being a black guy who was once the world's strongest man and her birthing a hand. Adolescent boys do NOT think about granny snooch, and if they do, they need fucking help. I also can guarantee they don't think its edgy, even if they are for some reason into it.
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I don't see why it would be stepping over any lines. You can joke about anything, especially when you do it to a guy that's obviously in on it. Even in serious situations joking about it is a common way for people to deal with tragedy.

It's also not a right not to be offended.

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CM Punk is a fictional character portrayed in a story with other fictional characters reenacting and mocking serious real life events.

Yeah...big difference between the two.
I'd say that taking that stance removes everything thought provoking about fiction. It's when taken about as seriously as real events that you actually find some interesting points.
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This was one of the most entertaining segments in a long time. Had me ROFL'ing on the floor like a mofo.
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It was ridiculous, but let's not forget that Lawler agreed to this so he's as much to blame as anybody.

Love how Noyk got to make the first version of this thread, the opportunity to look respectable must have been too much for you!
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on a side note, Mick Foley's promo last night was fucking awesome, after he yelled "HE WAS DEAD!" the entire crowd silenced you could hear a pin drop

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