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Make your mind up Vince!

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#1 ·
Holy hell. Vince is really getting addled in his old age.

One week, we get Ziggler/Cena teased at survivor series, and team Punk vs team Foley.

Next week, it changes to team Ziggler vs team Foley, Cena is added to make a triple threat match for the championship...


What is going to happen next week? How can you build feuds, and make interesting story lines, and meaningful matches, if you just cannot stick to a plan?


Vince, please retire. You really are killing your own legacy.
 
#43 ·
Because everyone here complains about everything no matter if it's good
 
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#2 ·
I agree, this is pretty confusing in my eyes!
 
#4 ·
I quite like the "never know what will happen" aspect of RAW. We all complain about the predictability.

Not to mention everyone bitched and moaned about the lackluster Punk/Foley teams that would be main eventing Survivor Series, so this rewrite actually helps tremendously, IMO. Punk and Ryback's presence was dragged down by the teams they were on, they didn't prop the teams up. This way you get a legit PPV main event.
 
#8 ·
Yeah, but the "never know what will happen" needs to be things that are good. We might not know that the main event of the show is an HLA session between Roseanne Barr and Liza Minelli. Unpredictable as it may be, it would still be fucking stupid (not to mention disgusting).

Same thing in this case-sure, nobody saw the complete makeover of Survivor Series coming. That doesn't mean its not a fucking stupid idea.
 
#5 ·
Yeah, I also thought they were going into the route of Cena/Ziggler.
 
#6 ·
Bad idea. They gave Ryback his win back on Punk too quickly. I also see that they have moved off Punk already. This match is about Ryback vs Cena, just as I feared when I first heard about it. The champ is back to 3rd wheel.

The event was going to be weak anyway, should have left the teams in and keep the Zigs/Cena match. The card looked better then to be honest.
 
#9 ·
I complained at the SS Teams only because it was a storyline out of nowhere, that was planned the same day.

That is exactly the same reason I'm complaining this evening. It's a storyline switch out of nowhere, that was planned the same day.

Survivor Series is a part of the big four and we already got matches announced on the card that completely changed the next week. How bad does booking have to get?
 
#14 ·
Everyone talks like Survivor Series is a well built up show. It's not and hasn't been for years and years. I'm not saying that a good or a bad thing, but it's just the situation we're in. Them changing the PPV line-up a couple weeks before Survivors means no more to me than if they did it at Vengeance or No Way Out. The show's pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, they've been trying to ditch it for years but WWE can't think of anything to be in it's place. At least the tag match replacement they made was a good one, that's the way I'm thinking about it.
 
#16 ·
he needs to make his mind up.

is he gunna support talent or classless wrestlers with horrible muscle tone.

its his choice.
 
#17 ·
It's almost as if Vince is listening to the majority. The majority were complaining about the Team Foley vs. Team Punk match, so Vince changed the teams up, and also gave us Punk vs. Ryback vs. Cena for the WWE Title, which the majority were complaining about how there was no WWE Title match at the Survivor Series.

Let's complain, and see what Vince changes next week on RAW, lol. I don't understand why Foley is the captain of his team anymore to be honest. Hopefully next week we get more answers, maybe a Foley/Ziggler fued is on the horizon, despite the obvious fact it appeared we were getting a Foley/Punk fued of sorts.
 
#20 ·
Since Cena/Punk wasn't even regularly scheduled, I highly doubt they'll pull the plug on the entire Punk/Ryback feud just to give the belt to Cena. Punk will walk out champion.. or Ryback.

They took money out of their own pockets. The money was on Ryback chasing Punk, now its obviously on Ryback/Cena. It was a foolish booking decision, Ziggler or rather neither should have taken a loss. A DQ or Countout would have been fine and just as effective. Obviously this company isn't serious anymore.
Cena is the bigger star, so Ryback/Cena would draw more than Ryback/Punk. I can't see how you'd argue otherwise. No matter the focus, they have another RAW to shift it back to both Cena and Ryback hunting Punk.
 
#25 ·
I think its all planed
Triple threat match was planned, Dople is feuding and will cost Cean the match, will let punk keep the titile, ryback dont get pinned, and cean and dolph fight next ppv
And this whole vikve thing is clear, its like how many fo you said Cena brought this romantic thing form no where, yet cean even asked her out a month before, but oh no, they scraped it together that night, i dont care if there was two months wherte they hinted at it, they just came up with it now, only thing possible, oh and WWE SUCKS.
 
#29 ·
At first I was annoyed, but now that I think about it, at least the card is better now. They can take the Triple Threat in 3 paths:
1. Punk wins and doodles around until January, where he feuds with Rock. Cena/Ryback will feud with no title involved.
2. Cena wins, and Ryback's chasing a Champion that will ultimately pass him the torch at some point, giving Ryback tons of credibility.
3. Ryback wins, and they have another triple threat at TLC.
 
#36 ·
Here's my 2 cents:

Team Foley vs. Team Punk lacked the star power to be the main event of one of the big 4 PPV's of the year. Outside of Ryback, Punk, and maybe Randy Orton, everyone else in the match are midcard wrestlers. You don't put a bunch of midcarders in the main event of your PPV unless of course it's the Royal Rumble which is also loaded with all of your main eventers.

Would it have been nice to have a traditional Survivor Series match main event the PPV? Sure, but the teams were poorly constructed. Ziggler and Cena should have been in the match, IMO. Maybe then and only then, you'd have a match worthy of main eventing what is one of the 4 biggest PPV's of the year.

I actually like the change. Cena was due a title shot from the draw at Night of Champions (how quickly some people forget that) and Ryback was due a title shot from the screw job at Hell In A Cell. With only one other PPV before the Royal Rumble personally if they were going to go the Triple Threat route, Survivor Series would make the most sense. They could still potentially do a Foley/Punk match at the TLC PPV as it appears that's the way the WWE could have been going. You have Punk retain in a questionable manner at SS (like the idea of Punk and Cena beating the hell out of each other and Punk picking up the scraps to get the win), have Foley come out the next night for a promo with Punk in which Punk finally is able to talk Foley into a match which of course Punk will win. IMO the change in direction for Survivor Series was the right choice.
 
#37 ·
cena ziggler is stupid, everyone in the world knows cena would win ( not being a fan boy) just saying its obvious.. The teams sucked ass.. this match is less predictable and pretty good.. until lesnar comes out and beats everyones ass.

I do get your point tho, obviously this wasn't the plan last week because i don't get how they could have already known they were going to do this.. kinda weird tbh and makes no sense.
 
#40 ·
What horrible changing of the guard. They need to make their mind on something and stick to it.
 
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