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Old 11-06-2012, 10:40 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Punk did NOT look indestructible in that feud. You speak about him like he was superman-ing, Cena style...

The AJ shit, well I'm the last person you'll ever find defending that piece of crap storyline.

I'm no Bryan mark and I detest his current gimmick, catchphrase and direction (Team Hell No was a waste of time that peaked with Kane's explanation of his life's history), but he does deserve better than this. All that the WWE has done lately is make me change the channel when he shows up. He's getting big go-away heat from me these days.
He was WORSE than Cena's ever been (I Quit, Lesnar matches notwithstanding). Go watch the match at Money in the Bank this year. Bryan locks in a LeBell Lock with a fucking KENDO STICK. Punk lays there NO SELLING the move similar to Cena did with the Crossface in Night of Champions, but not only that, he TAKES the stick with one hand and frees himself using it. Way to make Bryan look like a weak pussy that can't even apply a hold properly and gets overpowered by somebody his size with them using their one free arm. "HE'S A SUBMISSION SPECIALIST!!!!!"
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:25 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Just remember, everytime Bryan is burried, he comes back stronger, his time at the top will come.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:28 AM   #73 (permalink)
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They're building up to the Survivor Series and playing off the notion that he's the weak link of the team. I didn't mind the loss but it was really, really short. -_-
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:36 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Don't worry, he's still winning the rumble.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:50 AM   #75 (permalink)
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Wins and losses don't matter.
Yes, they do.

The problem is, you and vanboxmeer are talking about two different things, here. You´re right in saying that losses won´t hurt anyone´s overness. The main reason for that is the constant TV exposure these guys get even if they lose.

What vanboxmeer is actually talking about, and where wins and losses matter a whole lot, is "momentum". If you´re the guy who is constantly losing to other midcarders, and all of a sudden beat a guy like Cena clean, without any drastic change in character, the fans won´t buy it. It doesn´t matter that every WWE fan knows your name and is familiar with your character, you simply don´t matter in the grand scheme of things.

Here´s the thing, though: I can kind of get the thought process why a wrestling promotion would mostly care about their worker`s overness instead of their momentum (even though I´d disagree with it). But why should wrestling fans care?

Stop me if I´m starting to sound like Mick Foley, but all we ever cared about, everything we remember fondly when we think back of the reasons we fell in love with wrestling, are the special moments wrestling can create better than any other form of entertainment. These moments are what we´re all actually here for, and momentum is the essential ingredient to create them.

So, while you´re right in saying that the losses won´t hurt Bryan´s overness, vanboxmeer has every right to complain about the shitty booking that led to Bryan´s momentum (which he got rather by coincidence, admittedly) vanishing, especially considering the current staleness of the WWE landscape. We all love to complain about the midcard, and how there´s just "nothing happening", but when someone does manage to create some momentum for themselves, it´s like the WWE is almost hellbent on destroying it.

By the way, the apparent lack of distinction between these two terms is actually one of the main reasons why the WWE is in the mess they´re in, in my opinion. Momentum is the reason why someone like Ryback is getting such reactions. Not because he looks so "awesome", but because he was allowed to build a shitload of momentum over months. It´s the reason why the Nexus got people talking, and why the "Summer of Punk" got even casuals interested again.

You´re not doing anyone a favour, including yourself as a wrestling fan, if you keep arguing like that and keep giving them excuses for their poor, lazy and almost self-destructive way of handling these things.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:52 AM   #76 (permalink)
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The loss didn't matter. It's just to further the tag team feud between Team Hell No and Team Rhodes Scholars, that's why Sandow's getting losses now on a regular basis when a few months ago he was undefeated. They have to make both teams look strong and that's why Kane gets the win over Sandow and Cody beat Bryan. Now losing in two minutes isn't the best booking decision, but the loss won't matter a week from now. It's irrelevant.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:07 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Maybe Vince just doesnt want to push indy guys. CM Punk is probably enough for WWE
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:59 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I would prefer Daniel Bryan be the guy winning the matches for his team. Kane isn't really a full monster anymore (judging by his recent gimmick)so, why not have Daniel Bryan be the one to make fun of Kane about him being too old and not being able to win matches anymore.
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Bryans been fuckin burried. Fucking rediculous considering he is the greatest wrestler on the planet.
Yeah, like...no. I can easily name you 5 guys who are better wrestlers than Bryan, and some who are better technically as well. Bryan is very good in ring, but is NOT the greatest wrestler on the planet.
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He was WORSE than Cena's ever been (I Quit, Lesnar matches notwithstanding). Go watch the match at Money in the Bank this year. Bryan locks in a LeBell Lock with a fucking KENDO STICK. Punk lays there NO SELLING the move similar to Cena did with the Crossface in Night of Champions, but not only that, he TAKES the stick with one hand and frees himself using it. Way to make Bryan look like a weak pussy that can't even apply a hold properly and gets overpowered by somebody his size with them using their one free arm. "HE'S A SUBMISSION SPECIALIST!!!!!"
So one instance of him not selling puts him on the same level as Mr. No Sell himself? Come on, man. And I watched that match-sure, Punk did break out of it and look strong, but my God, it wasn't like he looked like he was taking a nap while in the thing, unlike some OTHER superstars...

I think this is just your Punk hatred talking. I know you strongly dislike the guy, that's fine. We all have our opinions. However, Punk has a long, LONG way to go before he can ever be considered half as bad as Cena at looking indestructible. Let's say you're right and he was no selling all the time and looking unstoppable (which he wasn't). That was for what, a couple of months? Cena has been this way since 2005. Cena's indestructible-ness ruined Nexus (which is 7 guys alone), Brock and Miz, just to name a few. Punk hasn't ruined anybody.

Anyway, back on topic.
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