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Old 11-06-2012, 12:49 AM   #51 (permalink)
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WWE tried to push jacked up guy who look like on steriod but all of them failed for many years now and refuse to push small guys. why can't WWE push small guy but kick ass in the ring, in UFC alot of guys not that big but they kick people ass in the ring.

have you guys notice Bryan put alot of muscle since his first debut?
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:49 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Already back to complete dunceville one liners. Guess you know more about pro wrestling than Shawn Michaels. Guess you think if Ryback was trading wins with Jindar Mahal and Drew McIntyre during his ascent he'd be just as over as he is now. John Cena certainly got no booking help being booked to be a winner. Not like casual fans don't like winners as they have for the past 100 years of pro wrestling. I mean The Undertaker's streak certainly means nothing, because wins don't mean anything and his 0 losses has no appeal to his draw.
What does Shawn Michaels have to do with anything? Shawn was pretty much a known jerk before he had his back injury and had a lot of issues. Pre injury Shawn Michaels and after his comeback are very different people. Shawn after injury was very relevant even though he only had one short title reign after returning from his back injury. For being "Mr Wrestlemania" Shawn lost a lot of his recent mania matches. Jericho was never a guy who won so much. You can add Eddie before he won his title, Ditto for Punk now. And what about Foley? Dude was one of most over guys from the attitude era, never was a guy who won a majority amount of matches.


You bring up Cena, do you remember when he first gotten his push? The beginning before he won is first title. What got him over was that fans liked his character and cheered him despite him being a heel. It wasn't his wins/loses. He lost plenty of matches before he won the title. I'm aware that they barely gave him any loses once he won the title and you know what happened? People started turning on him. Hell Cena has the whole lets go Cena/Cena sucks chant going. I think Cena would be just as over if he lost more matches. That is what I truly believe.

What I'm saying is if lets says at Royal Rumble they give Bryan the World Heavyweight Championship and give him a good run, then this loses to Rhodes & Sandow will be forgotten.
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So it's one of those days when Bryan fans get emotional because their boy isn't booked like a main eventer.

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Old 11-06-2012, 12:59 AM   #54 (permalink)
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What does Shawn Michaels have to do with anything? Shawn was pretty much a known jerk before he had his back injury and had a lot of issues. Pre injury Shawn Michaels and after his comeback are very different people. Shawn after injury was very relevant even though he only had one short title reign after returning from his back injury. For being "Mr Wrestlemania" Shawn lost a lot of his recent mania matches. Jericho was never a guy who won so much. You can add Eddie before he won his title, Ditto for Punk now. And what about Foley? Dude was one of most over guys from the attitude era, never was a guy who won a majority amount of matches.


You bring up Cena, do you remember when he first gotten his push? The beginning before he won is first title. What got him over was that fans liked his character and cheered him despite him being a heel. It wasn't his wins/loses. He lost plenty of matches before he won the title. I'm aware that they barely gave him any loses once he won the title and you know what happened? People started turning on him. Hell Cena has the whole lets go Cena/Cena sucks chant going. I think Cena would be just as over if he lost more matches. That is what I truly believe.

What I'm saying is if lets says at Royal Rumble they give Bryan the World Heavyweight Championship and give him a good run, then this loses to Rhodes & Sandow will be forgotten.
John Cena is the biggest star in the company. If he lost all his matches during his actual ascent from "interesting guy on the roster" to "the guy", he would never have been the biggest star in the company. It was also post-Christianity HBK that said that line to one Rey Mysterio, so he's always had that mentality and still does. Because he's smart and knows that when he does do the occasional job, they actually mean something when they happen.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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John Cena is the biggest star in the company. If he lost all his matches during his actual ascent from "interesting guy on the roster" to "the guy", he would never have been the biggest star in the company. It was also post-Christianity HBK that said that line to one Rey Mysterio, so he's always had that mentality and still does. Because he's smart and knows that when he does do the occasional job, they actually mean something when they happen.
Well I disagree with HBK then. I don't think wins and loses matter in the long run. Loses accumulated now won't have any effect 2,3,4 months from now. The best example I can give of that is Mark Henry last year. He had plenty of loses before wwe finally gave him that one big push. Once he beat Orton clean nothing else mattered. As I said if lets say at Rumble Bryan beats Sheamus or Orton or someone like that then these recent loses are meaningless in the long run. It's just what I believe. I don't care about W/L I just want to be entertained and I think that goes for the fans too.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:11 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Well I disagree with HBK then. I don't think wins and loses matter in the long run. Loses accumulated now won't have any effect 2,3,4 months from now. The best example I can give of that is Mark Henry last year. He had plenty of loses before wwe finally gave him that one big push. Once he beat Orton clean nothing else mattered. As I said if lets say at Rumble Bryan beats Sheamus or Orton or someone like that then these recent loses are meaningless in the long run. It's just what I believe. I don't care about W/L I just want to be entertained and I think that goes for the fans too.
Again you're contradicting yourself. You say Mark Henry beating Orton clean meant something. That right there means the win meant something. The reason it meant something is because Orton is a protected star who would almost never lost clean at that point, so when he did lose clean to Henry, the win put over Henry.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:49 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Again you're contradicting yourself. You say Mark Henry beating Orton clean meant something. That right there means the win meant something. The reason it meant something is because Orton is a protected star who would almost never lost clean at that point, so when he did lose clean to Henry, the win put over Henry.
Well Mark Henry would have had to beat Orton to actually win the title.

Hmm maybe I should clarify, I can understand there are meaningful victories, pretty much every first major title reign for an individual is. But I believe in the long run, loses on the other hand are very much less meaningful. In most of these big time cases will a few exceptions like Bryan losing in 18 seconds most of these big time moments are about the person winning instead of an individual losing. Austin beating HBK is 100x more meaningful for Austin as the winner than HBK the loser. If HBK had stayed around, then that lose would not hurt his status or his crowd reaction I can say the same for the Austin/Rock. The entire thing was about Austin the victor over Rock the loser.

My main point is I don't think losing hurts anyone in the long run if WWE decides to push a person. Cena's previous loses to Carlito didn't matter when he became the guy, Sheamus loss to Santino don't matter when he won his title, Big Show having previous losing to Cena or Rhodes don't matter now that he is the champ, Punk having lost to Orton don't matter when he won the title.

You may want him booked like Cena or Sheamus but I don't. I don't like how Sheamus and Cena very rarely lose. Hell Sheamus has been accumulating wins for awhile now but I truly believe Bryan is more over than Sheamus.

I keep making this point but if Bryan beat Sheamus or Big Show for the title months from now and is given a good title reign do you think anyone will even remember him losing to Rhodes or Sandow? I don't.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:34 AM   #58 (permalink)
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You can't have Daniel Bryan beating everyone you have to build up Rhode Scholars as credible opponents to make a feud. Trading wins back and forth does that nicely, plus it doesn't hurt him at all whereas Kane losing would hurt Kane much more.
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That's wwe problem vince is in love with guys like Ryback. The day triple h steps in there as chairman nothing will change..

Because triple h is also in love with those big guys.

Bryan just need to ask for his release. Wwe has nothing stored for him and team hell no proves it. Comedy skips for bryan yayyy while the guy who used to come out dressing like a steroid steve austin wearing a cowboy hat chanting "howdy all" on nxt gets to main event.

Bryan sell merch has mic skill and can out wrestle 98% of that locker room yet he gets nothing.


but job to rhodes a man who hasnt been relevant since losing the ic title.

That's why I always said If I was a wrestler I'd rather end up in a company like tna or roh than to work my ass off for Vince and get nothing in return.
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