[MrAxew]

Remember when Legends and Jobbers used to watch him? Yeah, I don't know why I brought that up.

[Shawn Morrison]

Originally Posted by ToxieDogg

Brodus Clay didn't get as 'over' as Ryback, and is viewed pretty much just as a comedy act because his gimmick sucks, and they decided to have him dancing in the ring with kiddies while Micheal Cole says 'This is what Monday Night Raw's all about!' on commentary

If they'd given Ryback/Skip Sheffield the dancing Funkasaurus gimmick instead, he certainly wouldn't be in main event segments with CM Punk now, don't kid yourself.

okay, Lord Tensai than, in fact many over the past few years have beaten up jobbers just like Ryback, none of them have actually made it to the top because they couldn't get over/didn't have the talent/the look, etc. Ryback HAS actually managed to do so however.

[Dopesick]

Originally Posted by Shawn Morrison

90% of your post is on things that haven't happened yet, lets wait and find out shouldn't we? Give the guy a chance. Anyway i find his ring skills quite good and its not just the fact that he's over, Brodus Clay is over they couldn't make him the challenger, fact is Ryback has the presence and the 'it factor' to be the next big thing, him just stepping into the ring makes it much more intense, few superstars have the ability to do that.

THIS is why I'm perplexed at all the 'lol ryback is GOAT' nonsense. Plus, I think I've said countless times I'm giving the guy a chance.

[Post-Modern Devil]

Originally Posted by SovereignVA

Wrestling is a business and he'd deserve it simply for being over. I'm not that big a Ryback fan but that much is obvious.

Over atm > someone who paid dues nobody cares about.

Zack Ryder, Shelton Benjamina, Kofi Kingston, Alex Riley & Christian among others were just as over at one point so what's your point? WWE's pushing him cause he's a physical beast (not that I really blame them) & Ryback's talented enough to capitalize on that push and get over but WWE decided to push him beforehand and they probably still would have put Ryback in the spot if he didn't get strong reactions, that's just how they operate. Its not like they had many choices...

Overness, particularly short-term overness, probably matters to the WWE even less than wrestling ability.

Originally Posted by Shawn Morrison

People need to stop pretending that squashing jobbers is all that got Ryback over with the fans. Brodus Clay and Lord Tensai squashed jobbers, didn't out so well for them did it? Ryback has the presense about him that makes the fans go crazy when he comes out, also he is very athletic in the ring, its a combination of many things that made him get over and is the reason he is going to HIAC as a No.1 contender, he IS talented.

Ryback may be over because of his abilities but the reason he got pushed to begin with was because of his size. Not to take away anything from Ryback, guy's legit talented, but let's face it, if its simply an issue of lack of overness in the roster then why doesn't WWE even put half of that effort into building up any other midcard face aside from Ryback and Clay and see how well they fare with the audience?

This isn't to say that they can't push Ryback primarily because of his size, but that does mean that issues like character, in-ring ability, and ability to cut a promo are relevant concerns irregardless of how over the guy is.

[SinJackal]

Originally Posted by MikeChase27

I think SinJackal is Ryan Reeves.

Shhh, don't spread that around, trying to keep a low profile. What you've seen of my posts so far is just an appetizer. The main course is soon to come. #FeedMeMore

[Evil Peter]

Originally Posted by SinJackal

I've read enough of your posts to know exactly what you try to do with them. Just big puff opinion posts weakly attempted to be hidden as factual neutral ones. Despite of course, no facts being within any of them and it being all opinion all of the time.

You try to defend yourself as if you aren't just hating on Ryback and expecting worst case scenerios with Ryback, yet that's obviously the agenda with your posts. You think it'll be bad, so you claim it will be no matter what.

As I said, it's just pathetic to try to shift the discussion towards the one you're discussing with. That's really lowbrow argumentation and I'm doing my best not to keep it on this childish level. If you want to continue the discussion, act like a man and focus on the subject.

And I'm not defending myself, I'm explaining what I'm writing. I don't have to excuse my feelings about Ryback and if you started reading what I write you'd see that I state right out that I dislike him. It's obvious that I didn't write with my dislike in mind though when I said that there's no positive outcome of this, seeing how it wouldn't be negative if Ryback just lost according to my personal opinion. That's really simple logical deduction and it shouldn't be hard to keep the two lines of though apart.

Originally Posted by SinJackal

Pretty much proved my point about you here. You're trying to pass off your opinions and premonition as foregone conclusions and as somehow irrefutable "logic". Yet, of course, none of it is based on anything factual. It's all based on your irrational fears and expectations of Ryback being "forced down people's throats" some more because that was your stance weeks ago the first time WWE Punk Ryback next to Punk, before WWE even booked the match. You hate him then, you still do now. Nothing's changed, including your agenda.

You're also trying to shift the burden of proof here too, by demanding an explanation against something you gave no explanation for in the first place. I have to prove you wrong, but you don't have to prove yourself right? Such a childish mentality. It doesn't work that way.

As for "rematches", and I shouldn't even dignify that shitty comment with a reply, but: losers who didn't just drop the title are never guaranteed rematches, much less get offered them like they're the king of the world and not move forward until they accept or decline it on live tv. Even champs don't always get their rematch when they drop the title. That's just more of your bullshit opinions that you try to pass off as fact.

I've stated the parameters my opinion is built on but I have no idea why you expect facts when we're talking about an entirely subjective thing. Since it's a subjective matter there's no "burden of proof". I've explained why I don't think the outcomes I can foresee are good (which has included Punk just going over Ryback) and if you don't understand something the grown up way to learn it is to ask. It beats making it up yourself.

Originally Posted by SinJackal

Because everyone else doesn't have a 300+ day WWE title reign right now. It'd reach 400+ days by time the Rumble rolls around, a length of reign which nobody else has had since Hulk Hogan's began before Wrestlemania 1 back in the 80's.

The sky is also blue, and the grass is green. Hopefully the rest of your post has better questions and responses in it.

Going over means winning in a match, not having a title reign. My question was how it's more forceful when Punk wins a match than when someone else does it? After all, there are several people with better win-loss records than Punk in WWE this year, and with more clean wins than Punk has (a clean win could be seen as more forceful as a lesser kind of win, I guess).

Originally Posted by SinJackal

Why should anyone care about any of your biased opinion posts?

Of course, I A: never said that you should care. and B: you obviously do otherwise you wouldn't be replying to me. Trying to deflect your own defensiveness as me hoping that you will be? :

FYI, you make the topic about you when you pawn off your opinion as factual, then expect people (me in this case) to disprove your opinions with facts. lol.

It was a way to point out the absurdity of your statement. It's downright hilarious to question someone else's opinions like that.

And no, I don't expect you to disprove my opinions with facts. You're the one talking about "burden of proof" in subjective matters, not I. I see you still haven't learned to not put words in people's mouths.

Originally Posted by SinJackal

So in the end, you prove that you have no legitimate ideas, no constructive criticism, and that your entire purpose for posting is pretty much that you have a butthurt dislike for Ryback.

Why even reply to people and defend yourself for pointing that out when you're just going to conclude your post by admitting everything you were just defensive about was exactly on point? :

Btw, you know what actually belongs in the 80's? Year long WWE title reigns.

I showed you the criteria that allows for a situation where it's not a lose-lose situation. An opponent that doesn't have too much to lose by a loss, or that can actually have a short reign and not suffer from it. Unfortunately you can't get away from the silliness of having a HIAC match as the first match in a possible feud as they've made it a PPV gimmick. But as far as having my own ideas I don't even have to have any since I'm not the one that's writing the show, I'm watching it and is therefor in the position where I can just have an opinion. It doesn't matter what I think should happen since those ideas won't come to life. What matters is what actually is produced, and it's not exactly The Wire.

And come on, surely you are more intelligent than resorting to immature things like "butthurt"? Am I supposed to be sad because you use that word? Do you think you sound cool when you use it? I think you can do better than that. And yes, this time I commented about you too.

As for the final part, yes, it would certainly be better if they had more people around that were made to credible threats for the title so it would change more often. I can't really say that having one guy in the driver seat for most of the time is a clear '80s thing though. Cena had a period where he was the champ for a high percentage of time a few years ago. Punk has it now and HHH had a period before Cena. All of them had actual personalities though.

[EmoKidTV]

He is a botch machine , can't wrestle , can't talk , can't even lift Tensai . The only reason he has a job are DA steroids .

[Iormungand]

Originally Posted by EmoKidTV

He is a botch machine , can't wrestle , can't talk , can't even lift Tensai . The only reason he has a job are DA steroids .

That's the opposite of something like 'Trolls should have green rep'.

Hint: That means you (the troll) shouldn't have green rep because you are a troll, incase that had a chance of slipping by your logic.

[Anark]

Ryback is the greatest wrestler and mic worker to ever grace the WWE. If you don't worship him then you are clearly trolls and know nothing about wrestling.

[SonoShion]

Originally Posted by Anark

Ryback is the greatest wrestler and mic worker to ever grace the WWE. If you don't worship him then you are clearly trolls and know nothing about wrestling.

Let them smarks stick with Punk. pfft. Rybacks mic work's spacy. Can't wait for Ryback to murder Rock on the mic on their build up to Wrestlemania.