[AthenaMark]

Originally Posted by Tnmore

He injured himself doing that.

I know but you never forgot it.

[ratedR3:16]

ryback makes some valid points he seems more passionate and is a better wrestler, but not a better athlete goldberg was stronger and more powerful

[AthenaMark]

Originally Posted by roni10_levi

I know Goldberg was the #1 guy in WCW during its greatest period, but there are 2 things I would like someone here to tell me:
1. What was the avarage rating of WCW monday night raws/ PPV's, back then in Goldberg's prime?
2. When the WCW's major decline had actually started? after Goldberg's 1st loss? with the rise of Austin's popularity?
I would thank you for information

They were in the 4s or 5s back then. And the WWE took over the ratings two weeks after WM 14 when Austin vs McMahon had their first match on television.

[SinJackal]

It looks like Ryback/Punk at HIAC, considering that Ryback is facing Punk at house shows pretty often now. It's also looking like there's going to be a nefarious end, where neither guy wins. It's just a filler match. No intentions of giving Ryback a W or snapping his winning streak.

But I suspect they're going to make Ryback look very credible.

Originally Posted by Vin Ghostal

In that case, you'd better leave some space between your fingers. Barrett is superior to Ryback in every way that does not involve spectacular muscle growth, but I'd bet my house and my Mustang that Ryback gets the WWE Championship before Barrett. Christ, I hate typing that.

I completely disagree.

Barret: Better on the mic (but still monotonous). Knows more moves in ring, probably sells a bit better.

Ryback: Much stronger. Faster. Better look. Performs with more energy and much higher intensity. Better charisma (partly due to the previously mentioned things working together). His matches don't feel as generic.

I'd argue Barret's only better in a couple ways, and neither one helps him overcome Ryback's "it" factors. Especially when knowing more moves in ring doesn't equate to a better match because Ryback makes all of his moves look pretty great while most of Barret's look pretty normal. Barret overall isn't memorable and doesn't stand out. Ryback is and does.

You could argue that booking has been better for Ryback than Barret to explain that, but Barret's on his THIRD push now. This is Ryback's first real push and he's already more over than Barret's ever been.

I'd pick Ryback over Barret every time for my "future wrestlers" team if we were playing that game. I'd also take Cesaro, Sandow, and Ziggler over Barret too.

[The-Rock-Says]

Because people want a new match.

Not the same match we've seen already.

[SinJackal]

By the way, if there are still people out there who still spit the false logic that Ryback won't get over until he proves himself on the mic, and that he's just a Goldberg immitation who won't get anywhere with just squash matches. . .I'll use a Goldberg match with commentary as proof that you guys are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ACeTJE9N8

Listen closely to the commentary. I'll write out what quotes I'm talking about if you're too lazy to pay attention.

Goldberg is 100-0

Goldberg seems to have 100% fan support. All across the board, everyone loves this man

Crowd's very into the match and cheering for Goldberg as he comes out.

The only other wrestler I've seen get a reaction like this is Hulk Hogan

As a professional wrestlers, there are two ways to establish yourself as a star; to establish yourself as a presence: It's by how you win in the ring, and it's by what you say in the interviews (mic work). We've never interviewed Goldberg. We've never talked to him. We've never brought you an interview on Thunder or Nitro. He's a man who's made a reputation by one thing, and you're getting ready to see what it's all about.

And for his 101th match (the video), it was just a squash match with only 2 moves done by Goldberg in it. Spear then Jackhammer. Crowd cheered loudly for all of it.


But. . .Ryback will never be big until he dazzles us with eloquent mic work, amiright? Nobody can get over without doing that!

:rofl

Video evidence that anyone saying that is dead wrong. You clearly don't need to be good on the mic or even speak on it period to get over if you're very exciting in ring.

[The-Rock-Says]

Ryback sells a little too much for the geeks, imo.

[apokalypse]

Originally Posted by SinJackal

By the way, if there are still people out there who still spit the false logic that Ryback won't get over until he proves himself on the mic, and that he's just a Goldberg immitation who won't get anywhere with just squash matches. . .I'll use a Goldberg match with commentary as proof that you guys are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ACeTJE9N8

Listen closely to the commentary. I'll write out what quotes I'm talking about if you're too lazy to pay attention.


Crowd's very into the match and cheering for Goldberg as he comes out.


And for his 101th match (the video), it was just a squash match with only 2 moves done by Goldberg in it. Spear then Jackhammer. Crowd cheered loudly for all of it.


But. . .Ryback will never be big until he dazzles us with eloquent mic work, amiright? Nobody can get over without doing that!

:rofl

Video evidence that anyone saying that is dead wrong. You clearly don't need to be good on the mic or even speak on it period to get over if you're very exciting in ring.

this...all you need is charisma and appeal

[Motorik]

Originally Posted by SinJackal

By the way, if there are still people out there who still spit the false logic that Ryback won't get over until he proves himself on the mic, and that he's just a Goldberg immitation who won't get anywhere with just squash matches. . .I'll use a Goldberg match with commentary as proof that you guys are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ACeTJE9N8

Listen closely to the commentary. I'll write out what quotes I'm talking about if you're too lazy to pay attention.





Crowd's very into the match and cheering for Goldberg as he comes out.





And for his 101th match (the video), it was just a squash match with only 2 moves done by Goldberg in it. Spear then Jackhammer. Crowd cheered loudly for all of it.


But. . .Ryback will never be big until he dazzles us with eloquent mic work, amiright? Nobody can get over without doing that!

:rofl

Video evidence that anyone saying that is dead wrong. You clearly don't need to be good on the mic or even speak on it period to get over if you're very exciting in ring.

All valid points. Look at some of the wrestlers with the best presence/general overness like Goldberg, Ultimate Warrior and as recent as Batista and it's proven that you can be massively over with the fans without being a force on the mic.

Hell I don't even really care that much about his mic work. He does the job just fine at the moment.

I also agree with him that he is MUCH better than Goldberg was in the ring. People who don't see that he's actually a decent worker are a bit blind.

[Karma101]

Goldberg wasn't a good wrestler and Ryback is right in saying that Goldberg only cared about his paycheck, in those two respects Ryback is probably better even if he hasn't showed it yet.