[Korvin]

Funny. Kelly Kelly Fan getting on some other wrestler for botching.

It is nice to see that Ryback is so over on this forum that people go so far out of their way to hate on the guy that they use a video from a camera.

Ryback struggled to lift Heyman up over his head. So what? Heyman is a big guy. Lesnar, Goldberg, Mason Ryan, Hercules even would struggle to do the same. Heyman is not a wrestler anyway. Thats why guys usually have the opponent fall on their shoulders (like Punk and Cena) to avoid lifting heavy guys over their heads.

[HankHill_85]

It looked cool, especially how he just threw Punk up onto his shoulders and did it, but he couldn't do it with guys bigger like Cena. It's the kind of move that sooner or later will be featured in Botch-a-mania.

[DXfan99]

lol heymans fat

[nmadankumar]

Even lesnar struggled to lift a stiff hardcore holly above his head since he played stiff intentionally. Got to give ryback the benefit of the doubt again.

[GillbergReturns]

Originally Posted by Wrestlinfan35

When it's a guy that actually has some talent such as a Mark Henry, then yeah I'm all for it. When it is someone such as a Ryback with not even an ounce of talent in him, then no thanks. I enjoy good matches.

So what you're saying is Ryback should spend the next 12 years of his career as a nobody then get a pity run at the end like Mark Henry did.

Unfortunately you can't build real draws like that. With big guys you have to book them strong early. They're not guys who polish their game in the mid cards.

[Wrestlinfan35]

Originally Posted by SinJackal

Punk doesn't have a 60+ inch vertical or even half that, so no it wasn't all Punk. At best it was 1/2 Punk, but I don't think even crediting him with half the props is right since he had the easy role in that spot.

You truly think Ryback lifted a man to his shoulders by his throat? To pull off a move like that, the credit is mostly gone to the guy on the receiving end because he's the one who has to make the leap. Ryback had the easy role, I don't see how anybody can't see that unless it's still real to you.

Originally Posted by GillbergReturns

So what you're saying is Ryback should spent the next 12 years of his career as a nobody then get a pity run at the end like Mark Henry did.

Unfortunately you can't build real draws like that.

What does that have to do with what I said?

[YoungGun_UK]

He needs more 'Signature' Moves, The Clothesline and 'ShellShock' Are fine for a finish but he needs to add some more power moves.

[Rockstar]

I've always thought that Ryback's finisher should be the clothesline. Dude's clothesline looks brutal, always has, even when he was Skip Sheffield in Nexus. The Shell Shock is starting to grow on me however but it won't work on everyone so he should use the clothesline as a finisher too.

[GillbergReturns]

Originally Posted by Wrestlinfan35

You truly think Ryback lifted a man to his shoulders by his throat? To pull off a move like that, the credit is mostly gone to the guy on the receiving end because he's the one who has to make the leap. Ryback had the easy role, I don't see how anybody can't see that unless it's still real to you.



What does that have to do with what I said?

You brought up Mark Henry, so I brought up Mark Henry's history with the company.

12 years in the company. Marginal figure at best. Also someone with no potential as a face.

It's a fail of a comparision.

[Wrestlinfan35]

Originally Posted by GillbergReturns

You brought up Mark Henry, so I brought up Mark Henry's history with the company.

12 years in the company. Marginal figure at best. Also someone with no potential as a face.

It's a fail of a comparision.

I'm talking about talent, and workrate, not status. Ryback is going to be pushed to the moon, splendid, but if he doesn't have any talent whatsoever, what am I gonna care? If he's going to provide boring match, after boring promo (if one at all), after boring match, and so on, then that's something I'm not interested in. I have seen nothing from this guy. I brought up Henry because you said people only want to see two small guys wrestle. Not necessarily. Here's Henry, a big guy who had a series with Punk earlier this year that was fantastic. These two perfected the David/Goliath style of a match. With Ryback, I'm going to be completely turned off because of how awful he is.