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Old 10-09-2012, 11:07 PM   #2341 (permalink)
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^ i thought punk/cena at night of champions was a dead even match. cena came out looking just a little bit stronger in the end even thought it ended in a draw cuz cena fucked up the the german with a bridge. the match didn't make punk look weak at all. it made him look like when he's at his best he can wrestle cena dead even, but can't win unless he does something extra like cheat which makes sense. #1 heel ever beat the #1 face fairly? ever in history of pro wrestling?
What about it was dead even? That John Cena beat himself? That Cena no sold a ton of Punk's offense and almost fell asleep in the crossface Punk had on him?

The match didn't make them look on the same level at all. Cena looked like the Incredible Hulk, getting out of the Anaconda Vice, and kicking out of the GTS something like 3 times, and Punk's head kick. Then, in the end, he accidentally had his shoulders on the mat while Punk was OUT. Cena beat Cena, Punk beat nobody. It just so happens it was labeled a draw and Punk got to keep the title after looking like a dope who absolutely couldn't beat Cena, and then retained his belt on a complete and utter fluke. It would be like a meteor shooting down and hitting Cena on the head, and Punk pinned him.

This match showed that the only one who can stop Cena is Cena, Punk is just a bump in the road. That is completely unequal.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:20 PM   #2342 (permalink)
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What about it was dead even? That John Cena beat himself? That Cena no sold a ton of Punk's offense and almost fell asleep in the crossface Punk had on him?

The match didn't make them look on the same level at all. Cena looked like the Incredible Hulk, getting out of the Anaconda Vice, and kicking out of the GTS something like 3 times, and Punk's head kick. Then, in the end, he accidentally had his shoulders on the mat while Punk was OUT. Cena beat Cena, Punk beat nobody. It just so happens it was labeled a draw and Punk got to keep the title after looking like a dope who absolutely couldn't beat Cena, and then retained his belt on a complete and utter fluke. It would be like a meteor shooting down and hitting Cena on the head, and Punk pinned him.

This match showed that the only one who can stop Cena is Cena, Punk is just a bump in the road. That is completely unequal.
your version of the match is really warped. it was pretty even the whole way until cena went superman at the very end to win, but he fucked up and it was a draw. it's obviously what they were going for and i think they succeeded. it was a really good match. your basically pointing out cena's bad points at not having much nuance for playing different degrees of worn down/hurt. he's either dead or superpowered just like hulk hogan. yes, he sucks at it, but it was still an even match and he'll always come out looking strongest in the end even when he loses cuz he's the #1 face.

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lol'd at the Daniel Bryan/Kane/Larry King/Larry King's wife segment.

Kane: "That was Larry King?, I thought it was Skeletor."

Anyway, the show was kind of ok but quite weak..
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:34 AM   #2344 (permalink)
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i thought it was the best raw i've seen in a long time. punk was awesome on the mic being a dick. he just looked like such an asshole when vince challenged him to a match. i was really surprised when he slapped the shit out of vince too. i never expected that. jbl made me laugh a couple times, especially when he was saying jr is a swine quoting cesaro, and kane calling larry king skeletor was awesome. the punk/vince match at the end was the most entertaining thing i've seen on raw in forever. that shit was pure heaven for me. the low blow punk hit vince with was the fucking low blow of all low blows. his arm was so up there i wonder if vince had a cup on. the tease with who will he face in hell in the cell is fantastic. if every raw would be as good as this one i'd never take a break from wrestling ever again. divas match was crap and cena's promo in the start was typical cena garbage with bad cringe worthy impressions/jokes. otherwise, i mostly loved it. cody helping start sandows cartwheel was so gay as hell, lol. crowd was really good too especially when bryan came out they were going nuts with the YES chants. seriously, if you didn't think that was a good RAW, then why do you even bother watching at all? it's pretty much as good as it gets in this current era.

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Old 10-10-2012, 03:58 AM   #2345 (permalink)
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Now.. does anyone know what the hell was on Cena's arm? It has to be something to do with how he got surgery on it considering that black thing was on the same arm that he recently got surgery on, but just wondering.
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Yeah but a villain that looks good once in a while doesn't work nearly as well as a villain who looks great a lot of the time. Its just common sense.

And unfortunately, while he did kick out of several AAs, the way he lost the match at NoC made him look like a chump. Cena pretty decisively beat him. Its not like Punk grabbed the tights or had Heyman hold Cena's leg, to show that Punk deliberately cheated and thus was still in the dominant position. Cena pinned him fair and square and Punk won because of a technicality he basically just stumbled across in defeat. I found that took a LOT of wind out of his sails because its like he fell flat on his face into victory. Its just not appealing having a villain who looks like a joke in that respect. I thought the way he won at Summerslam was WAY better, because he did it through pure heel tactics that made him look legit.
Yes, it would work better if Punk was booked more like his face character in that regard. I just don't think the current situation is quite as terrible as you do.

I have no problem with him almost losing. Him and Cena are supposed to be fairly equal, which makes it believable that Cena can come out on top as well as Punk can. NoC was a PPV where Cena got the better of it, but still didn't manage to pull if off. They still had a close match where they both kicked out of each other's finisher twice and got out of the submissions. At Summerslam I don't think Punk won in a heelish way at all. He won according to the rules and we've seen faces win in similar fashion in triple threat matches. It was about as clean of a win as you get without pinning Cena since it was still Punk taking Cena out of the match long enough for him to win.

So I don't have any problems with the PPV booking, I just think they aren't playing it right in all the build up shows. Right now it looks like Punk is the one going into HIAC to defy the odds.
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Now.. does anyone know what the hell was on Cena's arm? It has to be something to do with how he got surgery on it considering that black thing was on the same arm that he recently got surgery on, but just wondering.
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Yes, it would work better if Punk was booked more like his face character in that regard. I just don't think the current situation is quite as terrible as you do.

I have no problem with him almost losing. Him and Cena are supposed to be fairly equal, which makes it believable that Cena can come out on top as well as Punk can. NoC was a PPV where Cena got the better of it, but still didn't manage to pull if off. They still had a close match where they both kicked out of each other's finisher twice and got out of the submissions. At Summerslam I don't think Punk won in a heelish way at all. He won according to the rules and we've seen faces win in similar fashion in triple threat matches. It was about as clean of a win as you get without pinning Cena since it was still Punk taking Cena out of the match long enough for him to win.

So I don't have any problems with the PPV booking, I just think they aren't playing it right in all the build up shows. Right now it looks like Punk is the one going into HIAC to defy the odds.
And that last sentence explains why this feud is completely ass backwards.
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And that last sentence explains why this feud is completely ass backwards.
Indeed. The kids will hate him less when Cena gets one up on him fairly regularly on TV.
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I was kind of thinking the same thing.

Also I'm sure it was discussed to death in here, but I wasn't around so...yeah I just remembered that part when Cena asked AJ out. Caught me off guard it did.
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