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Old 10-09-2012, 09:14 AM   #2291 (permalink)
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Overall it was a mostly enjoyable Raw, with a few very solid matches and a brilliant McMahon CM Punk segment and entertaining main event. Certainly a step up from last weeks show.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:21 AM   #2292 (permalink)
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It's not about the "Attitude era" or anything like that in my opinion. All they did last night was copy a formula from that time period...and it worked...again. Don't know how much more evidence Vince needs that, the reason the 90's worked, and the reason last night worked is people like to watch segments like the final one.

You don't have to go to any "attitude era" to put on a good show. You just have to have exciting segments, with drama, anxiety, and intrigue. The final 15 minutes much like the 90's had it. THAT is the answer Vince, to all your problems.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:26 AM   #2293 (permalink)
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It's not about the "Attitude era" or anything like that in my opinion. All they did last night was copy a formula from that time period...and it worked...again. Don't know how much more evidence Vince needs that, the reason the 90's worked, and the reason last night worked is people like to watch segments like the final one.

You don't have to go to any "attitude era" to put on a good show. You just have to have exciting segments, with drama, anxiety, and intrigue. The final 15 minutes much like the 90's had it. THAT is the answer Vince, to all your problems.
agreed. Intense segments with so much going on is what makes it interesting to watch. MITB 2011 Punk vs Cena was a great match not because of the wrestling alone, but because of all the drama that was behind it, which made the whole match very entertaining to watch, it was the reason they had to put on a great match. These days the show lacks much intensity, which is the real reason 'Attitude' Era was popular. They needed to top WCW and so they decided to have much more attitude in their shows, much more extreme, which made them top WCW. Well they know how its done, they can stay in PG while also adding lots of intensity. Just because the target is kids doesn't mean they can't make it more interesting.
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Vince still has that "do it yourself" attitude at least. I thought he had lost it, but he was working his ass off on screen tonight. And overall the show was booked better than previous shows.
I agree. A part of me thought that it would wind up like that Punk x Lawler match, but I'm glad it didn't. I was surprised to see Vince's physique too. The last time I had seen him was in footage of the Vince vs Austin segments. I knew he wasn't nearly as big (muscle-wise) as he once was, but it still caught me off guard. I'm glad it wasn't just Punk slaughtering Vince or Vince slaughtering Punk. It was a believable segment and I turned the tv off happy when it was over.

As for the rest of the show the only parts I didn't like so much was when Little Jimmy wanted to dance with Cameron and Naomi and the Mysterio/Cara match. Shaemus vs Barrett was probably my favorite Shaemus match so far. Those two work well together. The Larry King segment was kind of entertaining near the end and I enjoyed seeing Miz get water splashed in his face. The segment in the beginning when Vince challenged Punk...oh lord that was amazing. Cesaro vs Kidd was another good one. I hope that someday Kidd can be molded into something more than an entertaining jobber. I didn't pay all my attention to the Hell No vs Del Rio/Ziggler but it was refreshing to see Kane snag a win. Team Rhodes Scholars winning was pretty cool. I don't mind Ryder, but I don't like Santino so I didn't mind seeing him get jumped by the job squad. I didn't watch the divas match, but I figured Eve wouldn't lose the title so fast. And...I already talked about the main event above.

I wanted to be able to talk about it all with everyone on here last night, but the site was being wonky for me. I don't know if it was for anyone else too.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:29 AM   #2295 (permalink)
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It's not about the "Attitude era" or anything like that in my opinion. All they did last night was copy a formula from that time period...and it worked...again. Don't know how much more evidence Vince needs that, the reason the 90's worked, and the reason last night worked is people like to watch segments like the final one.

You don't have to go to any "attitude era" to put on a good show. You just have to have exciting segments, with drama, anxiety, and intrigue. The final 15 minutes much like the 90's had it. THAT is the answer Vince, to all your problems.
agreed. Intense segments with so much going on is what makes it interesting to watch. MITB 2011 Punk vs Cena was a great match not because of the wrestling alone, but because of all the drama that was behind it, which made the whole match very entertaining to watch, it was the reason they had to put on a great match. These days the show lacks much intensity, which is the real reason 'Attitude' Era was popular. They needed to top WCW and so they decided to have much more attitude in their shows, much more extreme, which made them top WCW. Well they know how its done, they can stay in PG while also adding lots of intensity. Just because the target is kids doesn't mean they can't make it more interesting.

Oh, and to the people saying Punk looked weak in that match. The greatest of heels in the past have taken a lot more beating than that from Vince, it doesn't change anything. The way the match went on, with use of weapons, steel posts, etc. It looked realistic despite Vince being that old. At first they clearly showed in the ring that Punk easily dominated Vince, but they also showed Vince as a survivor who took use of the weapons outside the ring to get back at Punk. It made sense.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:40 AM   #2296 (permalink)
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agreed. Intense segments with so much going on is what makes it interesting to watch. MITB 2011 Punk vs Cena was a great match not because of the wrestling alone, but because of all the drama that was behind it, which made the whole match very entertaining to watch, it was the reason they had to put on a great match. These days the show lacks much intensity, which is the real reason 'Attitude' Era was popular. They needed to top WCW and so they decided to have much more attitude in their shows, much more extreme, which made them top WCW. Well they know how its done, they can stay in PG while also adding lots of intensity. Just because the target is kids doesn't mean they can't make it more interesting.

Oh, and to the people saying Punk looked weak in that match. The greatest of heels in the past have taken a lot more beating than that from Vince, it doesn't change anything. The way the match went on, with use of weapons, steel posts, etc. It looked realistic despite Vince being that old. At first they clearly showed in the ring that Punk easily dominated Vince, but they also showed Vince as a survivor who took use of the weapons outside the ring to get back at Punk. It made sense.
What?! You thought last night was intense? That was hardly the case. If it weren't for the WWE being "PG" last night would have just been another confrontation between Vince, and WWE champion. The slap to Vince's face was epic, but that was it. Him running from Vince at the end because Ryback showed up was bullshit. Ryback getting this push is bullshit, and so is his popularity. Fans will attach themselves to anything these days, and Ryback is proof of that.
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I don't understand how people don't see that Ryback has been getting over. The crowd chanted "FEED ME MORE" constantly during his match last night. They went nuts for him. What is there to question? Because he didn't get a super huge pop at the end? The crowd was expecting Cena as they chanted "Cena". I do think think that it is unfair to Ryback that he is being shot down just because he does things that resemble Goldberg, but hey as long as people continue to talk about him he is getting over. Stop fighting it.

The dance off was stupid and the Larry King Now talk show was a train wreck, but the rest of the show was alright. I'm glad that they put Barrett in a competitive match on the A show. The last 15 minutes was the best part obviously. Vince can still go at it. lol
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RAW of the F'N Year.

Where do I start with this amazing RAW? John Cena opening the show was a great decision. He was funny, he made people laugh, he was entertaining. He really pumped the crowd up. It was hard to boo for Cena and it showed last night. The boos started but half way through the promo they just disappeared. I like that the promo didn't drag on. It was only 5 or 6 minutes long. Great opening promo by Cena.

I don't care what anyone says that Brodus Clay/R-Truth segment. Hilarious. I mus say Little Jimmy has some moves!

And then holy shit, we're not even an hour in and Punk slaps McMahon right across the face. You just got to love that McMahon selling. One minute he's laying dead on the floor then he just springs back up.

Wade Barrett and Sheamus was a brutal brawl. Loved every moment of it. Sheamus took a sick fall at the end though. I hope he didn't suffer a concussion or anything. He looked like he hit the back of his head.

Team hell No vs Dolph Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio, match of the night for sure. The best TV match of the year. It started of really fast paced and there was a lot of no selling (especially from Ziggler) but it then slowed down. I loved how Ziggler and Del Rio were just working on Daniel Bryan. It added a lot to the match. The cutting the ring in half method is really the best approach to tag team wrestling in terms of psychology. This match was full of legit near finishing moments where you thought the match was over (e.g. Kane going for the double chokeslam) It was just exciting and the crowd loved every moment of it.

After that things were starting to feel boring but hey after that awesome tag match, that's normal right? If it weren't for this amazing crowd last night then RAW would have really taken a big, stink nose dive into a pile of shit after that match but somehow they made that Larry King segment seem good. It really shows how much a crowd could make a crappy segment seem even more crapier or as the case was last night, a crappy segment seem good.

The backstage segment with Kane/D-Bryan was funny. Divas match was solid. Now main event time. Honestly, they fucked up the ending but who cares? Seeing McMahon go all badass on punk for a few minutes kind of masks it. Kind of. I love the Ryback push. The fans wants Ryback. The "Feed me more" chants were clearly indicate.

All in all it was a damn fine RAW. Full of excitement. For those saying it resemble an Attitude Era style RAW, no it didn't. It was clearly within the confines of PG. We got a PG show last night. Not a G rated show. Last night's RAW was well written, everyone played their part to perfection but most importantly the people that really made RAW feel special last night (at least to me) were the fans. They blew roof off the damn building and were standing up the entire 3 hours. Last night the fans in attendance were real wrestling fans. And by that I don't mean they spend half their times on the internet discussing wrestling and reading no dirtsheets. No, what I mean is that the fans last night were kids, teens, grown men and women who all shared a common bond- a love for pro wrestling.
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Wow, you really enjoyed the show Sharkboy.

I thought that it was pretty average outside of Punk/Vince (great promo), the main event (entertaining segment) and Team Hell No vs. ADR/Ziggler (good match). Cena was his corny self, Sheamus/Barrett was boring, King/Miz was mercifully short, and (outside of a few short backstage segments) the rest was throwaway.

I'm not even sure that it was the best Raw in the past month, let alone all year.
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