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smackdown1111 · 10-09-2012, 02:10 AM

Decent Raw, nothing spectacular. Fun to see Mr. McMahon back. I'm not really seeing the point in a potential Cena/AJ relationship, but perhaps they will just drop it because it makes no sense. Although, I know there were like reports out there that they are dating in real life and last time Cena dated a diva they tried to make it a storyline (Mickie). Will be interesting to see what happens with the WWE Title match at Hell in a Cell. Cena really shouldnt be in it with his current status, but a triple threat will probable be likely. Overall decent raw nothing great.

**Bob the Jobber** · 10-09-2012, 02:38 AM

Vinnie Mac still being able to show up to the big dance. Loved that match, well worked by both men. Even though I knew the Ryback music was going to hit I still marked out. The crowd was HOT for this. That Hell No/ZigsADR tag match was great too. Man, I know I skipped over a bunch of stuff but the highlights were really good.

NightmareInc. · 10-09-2012, 03:05 AM

Punk has been pretty much buried in the past few weeks. I suddenly don't care about this storyline anymore.

meh

chronoxiong · 10-09-2012, 03:11 AM

RAW in Sacramento "LIKES"
-Ryback has been looking impressive lately. The crowd is clearly hot for him. More on him later.

-The promo with Punk and Vinnie Mac was okay. I did like that Punk slapped him because you don't see that often...besides seeing Vince get stunnered and all that other good stuff.

-Decent tag match between Cara Misterio/PTP. The crowd were hot for them as well. Interesting that they wore matching colored suits this time. Before, they wore their own suits.

-The Ireland vs England match was not bad. I really think Barrett deserves to be a main eventer soon. He's built for it and my brother was impressed with him during this match. Big Show throwing Sheamus off the top rope must've hurt since Sheamus landed on the back of his head.

-Antonio Cesaro continues to look impressive as well. He's going into my Fave Five in the future.

-Crowd was hot for Daniel Bryan. Loved it. Their match was cool and I did laugh at their segment with Larry King. I liked seeing Team Rhodes Scholars get a win too. I like how this tag team tournament is shaping up.

-The Miz clowning on Larry King was cool and funny. Good lord how did Larry King get a younger looking pretty wife? Kofi Kingston shined in this segment too.

-At first, the Punk/McMahon match started weak then it turned into a Street Fight and I started to enjoy it. Didn't expect much action and bumps from Vince but he did take a lot. Felt like a PPV match all of a sudden. Enjoyed the kendo stick action as well. Seeing Ryback come to the rescue was a huge moment as the Sacramento was hot again. It kept shaking the cameras. Got to love it. Good ending.

"DISLIKES"
-The fall of Epico and Primo. Didn't enjoy it. Thought the Brodus Clay and R-Truth segment was a waste too. Might as well put them in a Dance Off segment. Oops, I'm giving the WWE ideas.

-Looks like we will have to wait longer for the PTP to win the Tag Titles. Sucks.

-The stable of Slater, McIntrye and Mahal continue to get no heat. How can they get heat when they are jobbers?

-Ziggler continues to eat pinfalls even though he's the MitB winner. This booking will never change.

-The "Who attacked Kaityln" storyline continues to be awkward. The acting seems so weird.

-Lastly, it looks like the hot Sacramento crowd was also responsible for the incident that occurred in the main event. They were clearly touching and shoving Punk down. It felt like he was being provoked. The videos on youtube show that a guy in a grey shirt was the one who pushed Punk down which was why he retaliated Metta World Peace-style. It was a tough situation for a mega heel to be in and I don't blame Punk for doing it. Very disappointing to still see. The ending of this show was done well though and I liked it. I hope the ratings will have a nice increase.

Real Deal · 10-09-2012, 03:13 AM

People are whining because we don't get to see CM Punk pull a John Cena? Doing the same thing for years?

As big of a fan I was (of Punk), he needs this. He needed a change. Do some of you think he's going to hold the belt for another year, or...? There's only one other guy he could lose it to, and that's John Cena.

Vince and the WWF (yes, the WWF) were successful by incorporating an Ultimate Warrior, a beast that didn't need anything but brute strength and intensity. Later on, you saw Brock, Goldberg, Batista...they were the main event for a reason.

Today, fans are helping ruin the product, by wanting it to be dominated by the same type of wrestlers who, truthfully, are nowhere near a Ric Flair or a Bret Hart. They also boo the faces, cheer heels, and do everything ass-backwards.

You know what? Go back on your DVR's and watch the crowd reaction, right when Ryback's music hits, and he comes out to save Vince. See how crazy it gets when he clotheslines him, and when he lifts him into the fireman's carry. THAT is what matters.

It's sad that half of you would be okay with Punk (WWE champ) and Bryan (he'd be World Heavyweight champ) having main event matches every single PPV, for three years. Of course...Cena, Ryback, Sheamus, and any other big man would be buried, and we'd never see HHH in a ring again, because that's just not the "indy way to do things" I suppose.

What happened tonight was great. Punk fans should be thankful that he's being thrown into a similar storyline we saw Stone Cold in...because Stone Cold is ten times the superstar Punk is, and will ever be.

KO Bossy · 10-09-2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Deal

People are whining because we don't get to see CM Punk pull a John Cena? Doing the same thing for years?

As big of a fan I was (of Punk), he needs this. He needed a change. Do some of you think he's going to hold the belt for another year, or...? There's only one other guy he could lose it to, and that's John Cena.

Vince and the WWF (yes, the WWF) were successful by incorporating an Ultimate Warrior, a beast that didn't need anything but brute strength and intensity. Later on, you saw Brock, Goldberg, Batista...they were the main event for a reason.

Today, fans are helping ruin the product, by wanting it to be dominated by the same type of wrestlers who, truthfully, are nowhere near a Ric Flair or a Bret Hart. They also boo the faces, cheer heels, and do everything ass-backwards.

You know what? Go back on your DVR's and watch the crowd reaction, right when Ryback's music hits, and he comes out to save Vince. See how crazy it gets when he clotheslines him, and when he lifts him into the fireman's carry. THAT is what matters.

It's sad that half of you would be okay with Punk (WWE champ) and Bryan (he'd be World Heavyweight champ) having main event matches every single PPV, for three years. Of course...Cena, Ryback, Sheamus, and any other big man would be buried, and we'd never see HHH in a ring again, because that's just not the "indy way to do things" I suppose.

What happened tonight was great. Punk fans should be thankful that he's being thrown into a similar storyline we saw Stone Cold in...because Stone Cold is ten times the superstar Punk is, and will ever be.

Devaluing your WWE champion (who is involved in top storylines, supposedly draws a lot of business and is the selling point of most PPVs) by having him run away three times in the same match (twice from the same guy) and presenting him as a scared little bitch week in and week out is worth taking the hit to your company for a one time mediocre pop and possible slight quarter hour ratings boost? I respectfully disagree.

John Locke · 10-09-2012, 03:28 AM

I thought this was the best RAW since the night after WrestleMania and I am absolutely LOVING Punk's heel turn.

The Promo with Vince was amazing and the match was pretty damn entertaining as well. Don't know how I feel about Ryback just yet, but I marked when his music hit and when he clotheslined Punk. Maybe it was partly because the live crowd was so excited, but that really felt like an Attitude Era moment. Love that they are building a new star and doing it the right way.

Looks like we're getting a Miz/Kofi feud for the IC title and I think that should be pretty decent.

The Wade Barrett/Sheamus match was most likely MOTN. Barrett looked really good. I don't like Sheamus and his Superman booking, but I have to give him props for going out there and putting on good matches with Sandow and Barrett the past two weeks.

I'm 75% certain that the Rhodes Scholars are going to win the tag tournament, but it wouldn't shock me if Mysterio and Sin Cara won it. I'd love to see a 2-3 month tag fued between the Rhodes Scholars and Bryan/Kane though.

I'm excited about the product right now. That is not usually the case at the end of a RAW episode.

Real Deal · 10-09-2012, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KO Bossy

Devaluing your WWE champion (who is involved in top storylines, supposedly draws a lot of business and is the selling point of most PPVs) by having him run away three times in the same match (twice from the same guy) and presenting him as a scared little bitch week in and week out is worth taking the hit to your company for a one time mediocre pop and possible slight quarter hour ratings boost? I respectfully disagree.

Can I assume you've never watched Ric Flair in his prime?

One time pop? Ryback has been gaining momentum for weeks now. He's becoming a true face. Did you hear many Goldberg chants tonight? I didn't.

ultimatekrang · 10-09-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Deal

You know what? Go back on your DVR's and watch the crowd reaction, right when Ryback's music hits, and he comes out to save Vince. See how crazy it gets when he clotheslines him, and when he lifts him into the fireman's carry. THAT is what matters.

he got that reaction cus is his ass is getting pushed!

this is how things SHOULD work in wrestling. but wwe always pull back on the guys they are pushing until they get a lukewarm reaction.

they will probably do it to ryback to. or he will just be exposed to not being the real deal when he is given more than a 5 minute segment and the crowd will stop being interested. hes already bothced a million times and totally flopped with albert,its pretty clear he isnt that good.

Kewf1988 · 10-09-2012, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KiNgoFKiNgS23

last 15 minutes was spectacular. punk is back to being the bitw. him losing the belt anytime soon would be a travesty.

i stopped reading that long post when i realized he was complaining about how cm punk is being booked right now.

He was beat up by a 67 year old man and needed a low blow to get the better of him! And worse, he's the WWE champ! The torchbearer of the #1 promotion shouldn't be losing a fight CLEANLY to a senior citizen, even if it's Vince McMahon. It's just silly. The segment they had before the main event was good but Punk shouldn't be cowering from Vince McMahon.

The show was very hit/miss, mainly due to the VERY weak first hour (bad Cena promo, Ryback squash, Clay/R-Truth filler, dull Rey/Cara vs. PTP match). If that was taken away it would have been a very solid show for the most part.