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Old 10-08-2012, 09:43 AM   #211 (permalink)
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The biggest problem, is that they will attribute this all down to Cena not being there when we all know it was due to the huge football game and controversy.

So this Monday, Cena and Vince on show, ratings go up, and they assume its Cena that is drawing and Punk not.
What was the controversy, out of curiosity?
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:52 AM   #212 (permalink)
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3 Hours of Vince spanking Stephanie for that shithole the wwe calls "Creative"
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:11 AM   #213 (permalink)
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Given how epic the Ryback/Punk confrontation was last week, they need to keep Punk focused on that, not have him interact with Vince.
It's far more interesting than his feud with Cena, because Ryback is a face you can actually get behind. Someone who doesn't pander to the crowd, he just fucking destroys people. An old school kind of wrestler against a more manipulative, chatty heel. I think it's been really well done so far.

I'd love it if Vince uses his appearance to help put over a new wrestler, like Sandow.
Personally I see nothing Ryback brings better than Cena. I can't imagine he'll have half as good of a match with Punk as Cena will, and a wrestler that's not talking, for whatever reason, will always have a completely flat character. No depth whatsoever.

I'm no Cena fan, but at least he shows qualities on a regular basis.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:49 AM   #214 (permalink)
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And your post makes me want to jump off a bridge. Are we still not over with this Rock left for Hollywood BS? He was pushed to the moon and he paid his company everything back and entertained the fans. He contributed a lot to the Attitude Era, he did the impossible and was successful in replacing Stone Cold in the Attitude Era late 99-2000, he put over guys like Brock Lesnar, Goldberg and even the freakin Gregory Helms before leaving for Hollywood.
Brock Lesnar enjoyed wrestling but he was not lucky with the travelling. Was it wrong for him to leaving? No, if someone is not happy he should quit whatever it is. Should he stayed and get depressed and end one day like Mike Awesome and Chris Kanyon?
I'd rather have a monster 2002-2003 with great matches against guys like Kurt angle, The Undertaker and The Rock than some guy who is not motivated and watch matches like against Goldberg.
Boo hoo Brock & Rock disrespect the business by bringing old fans back and publicity to WWE, they disrespect the roster by pushing them down the card. The Rock wrestled only once this year and Lesnar only twice so how come that the poor guys held down by the evil Brock & Rock like Swagger, McIntyre, Usos, Kofi, R-Truth, Gabriel, Sin Cara, Hunico, DiBiase or Kidd are not main eventing PPVs?
And these two guys are so bad by returning only for the paycheck, I guess you come every morning to work not because of the paycheck and you would have no problems to work 5-6 months without pay.
And you call other posts bullshit after posting this?

There's clearly no reasoning with you. the rock came in and was pushed from day one. yes, he was(and is) immensely talented and deserves a lot of credit, but look how long he was pushed on top compared to the time he was putting over a goldberg or lesnar. it's extremely lopsided. lesnar is the same story, though i personally believe the rock has a much deeper connection and genuine like of the business. you're getting caught up in the noise of the argument. 'the rock went to hollywood!' and 'brock went to ufc!' - i don't care if the rock moved to colorado and opened a pet supply store and lesnar went on to work for nasa and fly the first manned mission to mars - the point is that they both became huge stars in wwe, were put over in every conceivable way, made ridiculous money, and then left without properly giving back.

look at shawn michaels for example, here is arguably(and in my opinion, it's not even an argument) the best worker in the history of the business and he came back after getting his back and his mind right and did what? he gave back for eight fucking years. no one can argue that hbk didn't make or make better jericho, angle, benoit, cena, etc. yes, he won matches and titles, but he lost matches and lost titles and helped to get over younger guys and further establish the already over guys. if the greatest of all time can give back like that, the rock and certainly brock lesnar can, too.

and what enabled rock and brock to move on to hollywood and ufc respectively? wrestling. now, is it possible that the rock could have broken into movies and tv without wrestling? sure. he's a good-looking, well-spoken guy, but there is a strong argument that it would have taken him years upon years to ever get the kind of roles he has gotten, if he ever did, without his success in wwe. as for brock, the same goes for him - could he have made it to the ufc without his exposure and success in wrestling? definitely. brock is a legitimate athlete with high accolades, but he would have had to start from square one and probably had a dozen fights before ufc ever gave him an opportunity - and no one can argue that brock's road to ufc was much easier and shorter because of the name he built in wwe.

listen, i don't hate on either man for leaving and doing what they wanted to do and i don't even care what their reasons for leaving are. all i'm arguing is that both of them left before they properly gave back and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and wrestlers in wwe and abroad, to see two guys who were made in wwe leave without giving back the right way and to pop in to take the main event of wrestlemania or summerslam, or to get the big paycheck when there are others in the company who busted their ass for years to earn the same. yes, the rock returning helped ratings, but wrestlemania would have still done well with punk and jericho main eventing(and in my opinion they should have) and summerslam could have done without lesnar/HHH. and let's not forget the well-known heat between lesnar and undertaker. the undertaker is well-regarded and respected in the business and if he had a problem with the way lesnar left then that makes a pretty good case in itself.

i doubt my argument will sway your stance, but i hope it clears the air in you thinking that i hate on them because they moved on. i'm just upset that they moved on without giving back properly.
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He better fire AJ
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I hope this has to do with Vince's next attempt to bury D Bry.
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I look forward to this. It's always good to see Vince on TV, no matter what the role.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:19 AM   #218 (permalink)
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Maybe Vince is gonna re create the limo exposion storyline to get Raw good again
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:42 AM   #219 (permalink)
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Personally I see nothing Ryback brings better than Cena. I can't imagine he'll have half as good of a match with Punk as Cena will, and a wrestler that's not talking, for whatever reason, will always have a completely flat character. No depth whatsoever.

I'm no Cena fan, but at least he shows qualities on a regular basis.
I don't dislike Cena. I really don't.
But can't you see how trite it all is when he's constantly trotted out as the number one contender because they don't want to push anyone else?

It's almost as bad as The Big Show and his constant heel turns, it's constant repetition.

Ryback is a breath of fresh air and has a style about him that makes you take him seriously. Cena can't be respected in the same way as guys like Punk for one simple reason - his character revolves around being over emotional and needy.

The Cena character needs to be loved. That's why he keeps reminding people that he's "HERE - EVERY - WEEK!" and is basically one tub of lube away from giving the entire audience a collective handjob.
No one respects his character, even if they admire his dedication to the job. They tell us he's the guy we should cheer, but he comes across as a pathetic, fragile suicidal teenage girl who wants to kill herself because people keep mocking her weight.

Ryback comes across like a man.

There's a massive difference between the two.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:28 PM   #220 (permalink)
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I really don't get all the "excitement" about Vinny Mac, let's remember this isn't 98, there is NO Stone Cold, this isn't 99 there isn't an Undertaker, this isn't 2005 there is NO ruthless aggression. Heck it's not even 2011 with a red hot CM Punk.

This is 2012
At least we can agree it's not Raw during the Carlito and Chris Masters in the main event years.
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