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Old 10-03-2012, 10:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I dont see how you can logically think Kofi is bad in the ring.

This is a different time then the AE.

You wait your turn and wait to get a push. That's how it works now.

You act like Punk hasnt been a favorite backstage before now. Punk has gotten a ton of pushes.

Daniel Bryan goes above and beyond. He's doing ok. Nothing special at all though. I'd venture to say he works extremely hard for where he's at to lose his title in 18 seconds at WM.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:44 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I pointed out in the OP all the reasons why I dislike Kofi, the majority of which were from an in-ring perspective. I know it's not the Attitude Era, I never brought up the Attitude Era. I hated the Attitude Era. But that's not "how it works now" or how it has ever worked. The "powers that be" might have certain individuals, like Zack Ryder, that are doomed forever no matter what but that doesn't mean that everyone is. I have been watching WWF since 1987. This is the worst I have ever seen it & that includes the early 90's era of steroid trials & Mantaur. The reason is because outside of maybe four or five people, the entire roster is apathetic, including Kofi.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:45 PM   #33 (permalink)
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He's great in the ring, but I hate his goody two shoes gimmick. He's not very good on the mic either.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Do you know what the real world is? WWE is a JOB. Not a WWE simulator.

And guess what going above and beyond gets you. The Ryder treatment. Or AW treatment. Take your pick.
Different jobs and different employers demand different levels of investment from their employees. The WWE demands people perform and aspire to be their absolute best when performing. If they see someone content with being an average performer with replaceable qualities, they'll likely try to weed them out (that is, unless they REALLY value them).

I'm don't entirely agree with the OP as I view Kingston as an important component to what a midcard really needs: a guy that has accrued a measure of success and is a sought after mainstay in company niche/specialty areas such as ladder matches and other gimmick types that require high levels of acrobatic eye-candy that gets people on their feet mouthing "wow-wee!"

Here's a post that I feel reflects what most audiences value the guy and his position as:

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Kofi is cool, i expect him to do some athletics stuff every week and he does just that, he has fast paced matches pulls out some cool moves and im always in a good mood watching him..after seeing his stuff in that cribs type of show i like him even more..

i dont take wrestling so damn seriously since ive been watching since the 90's so thinking outside a realistic point of view while being a typical crying IWC member like the threadstarter is something im not accustomed to..but hey to each its own.
The bold text is the most applicable to my point (the second paragraph made me laugh but I digress). Most expect the same stuff from Kingston day in and day out and are perfectly content with seeing him out there doing his trademark shit. Take into account the fact that he is a safe bet with most opponents and sound in other areas means he's a fine addition to the roster that is an attraction to certain areas such as the aforementioned match types I listed.

That doesn’t mean he’s not irreplaceable however. Not in the slightest. Shelton Benjamin was by far the superior and more proven worker and could pull of the same stuff Kingston could with little issue. There are little grey shades of subjectivism most shared such as Kingston articulating his personality better, being more likeable overall, etc. However, the one thing I think that really undid Benjamin was the supposed attitude he carried around at times. Wasn’t that the reported cause of the ridiculous losing streak he endured that practically killed off any momentum he would ever get from the audience again?

This era of apathy the OP mentions is an interesting one, because it’s a pretty hostile environment where one has to tread a fine line. Kingston is someone who appears to be relied upon as no more than a pretty safe commodity to go out there with little complaints and do his bit for the company, but is ultimately frustrating in not fulfilling his potential they think he has. It isn't an easy task for a performer to decipher these mixed messages but whether this missed potential' is through being a little soft, slothful or lacklustre in key areas is uncertain. It’s something that he should make more of an effort towards being a mainstay in the company and help leave a genuine impression.

That’s the word I’d use to best describe Kofi Kingston: safe. In some ways it works out for him like it didn't Benjamin. However, it isn’t a bonafide guarantee that his position is going to stay sound. If he really wants to stick around and leave a lasting legacy he has to play the company game and make a case as to why he should stick around for the company’s benefit.

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Old 10-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #35 (permalink)
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He has consistently great matches, is over with the crowd despite not being given anything in the midcard, and has solid mic skills. What's bad about that?

Shelton Benjamin also played video games and he was one of the best workers during his time in the WWE so I don't know why you're using that against Kofi.
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This all spawned, initially, because I used Kofi as my example for someone that Vince McMahon could make an example out of.
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Kofi is a WWE guy, trained by OVW & he doesn't know anything other than WWE style.
Why would Vince "make an example out of" (in a negative way) a wrestler who is a "WWE guy" ? That doesn't make sense
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That's what the future is. A bunch of WWE trained guys working WWE seven minute, paint-by-the-numbers matches. Nothing new, exciting or innovative.
You want to see change (so do I) but sacking Kofi is not the way.
The WWE (and TNA) are heading in a new direction, it's all Twitter, Facebook, Tout etc now, that's where the numbers are.
It's no longer about the wrestling and it never will be again because wrestling doesn't sell, 'entertainment' and 'interaction' does (not that I think it's entertaining)
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The reason I used Kofi is because he is the poster child of everything I hate about current WWE.
Ok, but I don't think it's fair to want Kofi sacked, he's just doing his job and it wouldn't change anything
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Nice quote Jim but the glory days of 'wrestling' are over.
Now it's more important to the WWE to have a bogus Twitter competition to name a tag team than it is to put on a good match.
A 'quirky' teenage looking girl in charge of the show has more appeal to more viewers than a great set of moves.

Sorry, but that's the future and Kofi is not to blame
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:43 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I don't want Kofi fired. It was just an example of a name that people might react to that could lite a fire under the asses of people so they stop being, as Skullbone put it, so "safe."

At the end of the day, the "wrestling" as in the actual moves might not matter like they used to but it's still about telling a story, even in the midcard.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:50 PM   #38 (permalink)
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You raise some good points Fab Kangaroo (golly, what a username). The truth of the matter is that this generalised entertainment platform they hope to create is the direction WWE will be taking for years to come unless something radical stops them from doing so. I think that's an awful thing and will likely result in the closest thing that the WWE will ever experience to a near-death or possible fatalistic experience (yes, even surpassing that back in the mid nineties).

As much as what JR says in having to live up to company expectations is true (and I agreed with it), what Walk-In says in Kingston representing what's wrong with the company is perhaps only a half truth. His expectations of the company won't be met due to the direction it's heading (something very few of us want either); away from professional wrestling into a deluge of ADHD-inspired booking and wrestling management, desperate celebrity and mainstream approval, and regurgitated Hollywood pap for the great unwashed and easily amused.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:09 AM   #39 (permalink)
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I don't want Kofi fired. It was just an example of a name that people might react to that could lite a fire under the asses of people so they stop being, as Skullbone put it, so "safe."
Ok, I see, I thought you wanted him gone and I tend to jump to the defence of those I think are being 'picked on'
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At the end of the day, the "wrestling" as in the actual moves might not matter like they used to but it's still about telling a story, even in the midcard.
I agree but classic storytelling and moves in a match on tv are not so important these days, matches seem to be a few moves, a bit of sell and then setting up later 'dramas'.
The fact that ADR beat down Orton after the show went off air and then it was only viewable on WWE website and discussed on Twitter etc says a lot about the direction the WWE is taking.
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The truth of the matter is that this generalised entertainment platform they hope to create is the direction WWE will be taking for years to come unless something radical stops them from doing so. I think that's an awful thing and will likely result in the closest thing that the WWE will ever experience to a near-death or possible fatalistic experience (yes, even surpassing that back in the mid nineties).
Yep, a "near-death or possible fatalistic experience" for 'wrestling'
Love them or hate them CM Punk and DB are 2 of the best 'wrestlers' around at the moment and they spend much more time 'entertaining' than they do 'wrestling'
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