Ham and Egger

This.

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Coffey

But see, no one is talking about Kofi being pushed. This is what is called a strawman argument. It's not about someone else being used instead of Kofi & it never was. It was about Kofi being used as an example, AN EXAMPLE, but since people can't read, that somehow became "Kofi should not be fired over these other guys!? Are you crazy!?" or "THESE GUYS SUCK MOAR~!" That's not the point. Kofi is coasting & seems to be a well-liked guy, which makes him a perfect candidate as someone to use to make an example out of. If a head coach is looking to fire up his team, he doesn't scream at the worst guy on the team...It just so happens that I find Kofi pretty lackluster in general because he's a cog in the machine that I want the industry to get away from. Points have been made about WWE being a new company now & heading in a different direction. Those are true. I understand it's a new era, a social media era, with catering to a different demographic but I can still voice my displeasure. Just like HeavenlyInvader is more than welcome to disagree with me & call me a stupid fuck. I don't care. I would just like it to be in relation to the conversation at hand though, otherwise we're just having a circular argument.

It's not about Kofi being a potential main eventer either, although that has been brought up several times. I have no problem with guys being in the mid-card, my problem lies with people being content where they're at instead of trying to continually pursue the ladder of success. Professional wrestling, contrary to the belief of some people, is not a normal job. It's not something that you should get into if you just want to collect a check. You need to be passionate & you should want to succeed. Even with WWE changing directions over the years, the basic gist of wrestling will always be the same, in any company, in any decade. If you're a guy busting your ass to get a leg up & you get shot down, you don't get dejected & stop trying hard. You keep busting your ass until you are acknowledged & given a shot. People may disagree with this, but I would rather be fired & go elsewhere than to be a forgettable midcarder. If you're just there for the paycheck, you should have went into a professional that didn't require you to break your body for the money.

cavs25

The ring master sucked. Rocky Mavia sucked.
Lets not be so judgmental on superstars whose careers aren't done yet.

Shazayum

Look at this guy, knows his shit. How do you know he's content where he is? Maybe he's really eager to get a push and pushes for one backstage but politics keep him down or creative can think of nothing for him. Or, you know, he's just being smart by not saying anything stupid to the company, he has a secure job and wants to keep it and there's nothing wrong with that. It's easier said than done, buddy, some guys take years and years of shit at the bottom until they get their break.

Yeah, sure, you'd leave a well paying job at WWE in favor of going to be famous in an indy promotion

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Coffey

This is actually a point in my favor, if anything. Yes, they sucked. They knew that they sucked, & they busted their asses to get ahead anyway. Unlike someone like say, oh, I don't know, Kofi Kingston? If guys are just going to sit there & wait for their turn, they're going to be waiting forever.

This is one of the things that I have the biggest problem with. It's not "just a job."

Indeed, it's pretty much this. I don't care if someone has a different opinion than me but at least explain why or don't just repeat things that other people in the thread have already said.

Huganomics

It's nice that you know Kofi well enough to know that he's only in it for the paycheck. What's his favorite food? Tell me more.

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Shazayum

Look at me, I know the ins and outs of the professional wrestling business because I've read a few dirtsheet reports!

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#PushKofiKingston

Took me a while to comment because I needed to calm down.

1. Kofi is a very good wrestler. Yes, his move-set his watered down by WWE. He is advertised as a high flyer, not a technical wrestler so why would his move-set be technical heavy? He does his job as a high flyer extremely well. To anybody who says he isn't a high flyer, please define what a high flyer is and tell me how he doesn't fit that description.

He has had great matches with the likes of Orton, Jericho, Edge, Ziggler and Punk. Please don't tell me these guys have great matches with anybody because I can tell you a match all these guys have been in that was shit. Even Ziggler. Kinda hard to argue that a guy can't wrestle when he has the matches to prove so.

2. You basically claim he's has settled in his career and is not trying to improve or get higher up the card. Then you go on to use CM Punk as a guy who fought for what he got and act like he was never handed anything. Punk wasn't some jobber before he was WWE Champion. He had been ECW Champion, 2X MITB winner and WHC multiple times. WWE has consistently given him pushes feuds and storylines. Kofi has had one feud in his career. Thats against Randy Orton and he was great. GTFO of here with that "he botched a match ending". Its not like he botched a move and got somebody hurt or ruined a match. Orton hit the RKO and it was over. Most people wouldn't have noticed if Orton didn't act like a psychotic asshole. He had several matches with Orton beforehand that he was awesome in.

3. Kofi is an black man in WWE. What do you expect him to do? He can't go into Vince's office and demand a push. He'll be fired before he can finish that sentence. Unlike guys like Punk & Bryan, Kofi has a ceiling on his career. He'll be WHC at best because Vince doesn't allow blacks to hold his WWE championship. Hell, the black guys who became WHC didn't until their careers were almost over(Booker T & Mark Henry). Please don't say "There aren't any black wrestlers that deserved to hold the WWE title" because thats bullshit. I can name plenty who had the talent and where never given the chance like lesser talented wrestlers of other races were.

You might not like Kofi but he's over with the crowd. He always gets them on their feet which means he is entertaining them. Isn't that the point? I'll take Kofi going out there jumping around and getting the crowd hyped over Tyson Kidd going out and getting fuckin crickets when he wrestles. The crowd enjoys his character. I'm not saying it doesn't need to be tweaked a little but if they like it why should he completely change it? Your opinion isn't fact. You didn't give on good reason as to why he isn't a good wrestler other than you don't like his style. There isn't one reason from a business stand point that says Kofi should be pushed.

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TheSupremeForce

What makes Kofi a good high flyer? I'm really asking, because all I remember him doing is springboard arm flailing and crossbodies. He has an annoying tendency to badly overshoot with both, as well, making the exchanges look ridiculous. If anything, he looks much better during those matches when he's forced to actually get a little technical. I have similar feelings about Gabriel (though Justin has better aim and is better than Kofi at wrestling, in general).

Kofi's over because he's been consistently pushed as a midcard title contending face for years now. How can someone like Kidd reach that point when he's not even given as much of an opportunity as Kofi's been given?

#PushKofiKingston

Sorry, double post.

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