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Old 10-01-2012, 10:46 PM   #81 (permalink)
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barely any bend on that.. you are a fool if you think thats all big show there.
Did I say it was all Show? No. But I guarantee that if Show planted his feet, he wasn't going anywhere.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:46 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Ryback in better form than Brock? Not a chance.

Brock is probably better now than he was during his last run in the WWE... the guy is a trained MMA fighter and has been training in MMA for the past 6-7 years... MMA fighters are some of the most elite athletes on the planet.

Brock can fight for 25 minutes, while Ryback would probably gas out in 5 minutes of running on the treadmill. Big muscles require oxygen...
I don't know. Brock had some serious health issues and never really recovered. He didn't seem to be in great shape for his final UFC fight and he definitely "let himself go" a little prior to hopping into the WWE. He's definitely not in the best shape of his career at this point. During the height of his brief run atop UFC, I'd have completely agreed with you.

I'm still not arguing that Ryback is in better condition than Lesnar, simply saying that Brock's not currently in the best shape of his life.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:47 PM   #83 (permalink)
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If Tensai sandbagged, the WWE should fire that hippo.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:48 PM   #84 (permalink)
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You can't just compare their strength via stats anyway
It's much better to do that to compare than than just use your opinion that you "think" they're better.

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(even though Lesnar and Goldberg both are stronger in the weight lifting department)
Except Goldberg isn't. I posted some of their power numbers. You've posted. . .no facts. If you keep claiming something is true, it won't make it true just because you keep saying it.

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... when it comes to lifting other human beings and in ring strength, you have to take into consideration all that functional strength.
You can't make that claim. Like I just said to the other guy, they didn't perform the same move. You're comparing easier to pull off moves to a more difficult one, and claiming that since they could do their easier moves more easily, that it proves they're stronger than a guy who failed to do his more difficult to do move 2/3 times on a 400lb guy. It's not a good argument and it's based on poor logic.


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Goldberg has trained in Mixed Martial Arts since the 90s, was also a football player.
Martial arts has nothing to do with power lifting, that's a red herring. Ryback was also a football player.


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Lesnar wrestled amateur for over 18 years, winning an NCAA championship.. claiming the title of best wrestler in the entire United States in 2000, and runner up in 1999.
More red herrings.


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Both Goldberg and Lesnar have far more functional strength and athleticism when it comes to lifting moving things like other humans, and throwing them around..
That's your opinion, and you can't prove it since it's based on your observational opinion rather than facts.


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and also other humans who resist being picked up...whereas Ryback's strength just comes from pure lifting dead weight in the gym..
Other pro wrestlers don't resist the moves, and lifting "dead weight" is pretty much the exact definition of getting sandbagged. So Ryback's pure lifting strength is exactly what applies in pro wrestling. lol.


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In other words, lets say a 290lb Ryback takes you down and puts his weight on you and tries to keep you from moving.... it will probably feel like theres 290lbs on you... whereas if a 290lb Brock put his weight on you and tried to keep you from moving, it will feel like theres 600lbs on top of you because of his functional strength. He knows how to use his weight... then have both of them pick you up and throw you, and resist as much as you can... Ryback will probably have a harder time picking up and throwing a person who is resisting and moving than Brock simply because he isnt as used to it.
This is also completely irrelevant. What's even your point? That Brock's a better fighter? No shit. We're talking about their ability to lift people in the ring, guys who allow themselves to get lifted and usually ASSIST in getting lifted up. That's just another long-winded red herring.

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in short: Ryback isn't used to picking up and throwing humans who are resisting whereas guys like Brock are due to their experience in MMA and amateur wrestling.
And again, that doesn't matter. The other pro wrestlers aren't resisting the moves.

Of your whole post, you've said one thing on point, and both were just your opinions.

It's alreayd been established that you think Lesnar and Goldberg are stronger. We get it. I don't dispute that because it's your opinion. We're talking about facts now. . .so you can stop posting your opinion over and over.
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None of this really matters anyway, has it ruined Rybacks credibility? No, he came out later and still got the loudest chants of the night.
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I don't think Tensai sandbagged him. Based on what I've heard, this guy isn't a Bob Holly type and is usually viewed as a professional. It looked like something just went wrong and they pulled that finish out of their ass.

It did look very bad though.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:54 PM   #87 (permalink)
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I don't think Tensai sandbagged him. Based on what I've heard, this guy isn't a Bob Holly type and is usually viewed as a professional. It looked like something just went wrong and they pulled that finish out of their ass.

It did look very bad though.
Exactly, the whole "sandbagging" thing is just a convenient excuse for Ryback marks who refuse to take it for what it was - a botch from a guy who isn't strong enough to pull off that move on someone of that size and weight every time he goes for it.
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lol I need to see this video

You Ryback marks are pathetic. The dude blows.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:57 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Exactly, the whole "sandbagging" thing is just a convenient excuse for Ryback marks who refuse to take it for what it was - a botch from a guy who isn't strong enough to pull off that move on someone of that size and weight every time he goes for it.
I'm not a Ryback mark, and am a Tensai mark, and I think that was a sandbag. That looked like a frustrated 40 year old vet who left a niche in Japan to come back to American, was promised a main event push, and instead, has been jobbed out, and was booked to be squashed in under 2 minutes.
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lol I need to see this video

You Ryback marks are pathetic. The dude blows.
I'm not a Ryback mark, but I like him. He is way more entertaining than Sheamus at least.
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