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Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

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#1 ·
Couldn't even get Tensai on his shoulders after TWO attempts and we're supposed to buy him as this monstrous powerhouse? Lol.

Once again proving that he is nothing but an incredibly fucking poor imitation. Goldberg would have thrown Tensai up there like a balloon.
 
#295 ·
Seeing Ryback struggle to lift up Tensai looked pretty bad lol, people here were sayign that while he was similar to Goldberg, Ryback is a much bigger dude, but that being said, Goldberg was able to do stuff like Jack Hammer the Giant and other massive guys on more than a handful of occasions.
 
#300 ·
He's as tall as Punk if you noticed, an inch doesn't make a big different.
 
#301 ·
Ryback's problem is he doesn't have conditioning. He's big and jacked from all the steroid use, but having a lot of mass is not the same thing as being in good shape. To be a good wrestler you need to have good cardio conditioning so you still have gas left in the tank at the end of a 5-10 minute match.

Ryback looks like someone who just injects test and does some heavy low-rep-range lifting, and never does cardio. As a result, he sounds like he's short of breath just from walking down to the ring. And while he can function in short squash matches, he is gassed out after 5+ minutes of a real match to the point where he can't even lift his opponent.

This is pretty typical of steroid abusers, they get so much mass that it actually becomes a burden on them and they lack the conditioning to do any sort of aerobic exercise. With that in mind, is it any surprised he's so gassed after 5-10 minutes that he can't lift Tensai?
 
#302 ·
ryback officially jumped the shark. the idiots in the crowd were still cheering him like they didn't see or understand what happened. just shows you what type of people the wwe is catering too nowadays. either that or people are so in cruise control mentally and start cheering when they are supposed to cheer.
 
#304 ·
i'm all for big men being pushed for the main event , because they are marketable and look legit and don't insult my intelligence when they hold the belt unlike how Miz held the belt for 200 days or so and was looked upon as the least credible title reign ever


HOWEVER , i'm all for big men who got REAL TALENT , like Brock Lesnar in 2002 , a big guy who can do all the craziest shit in the ring and even tho bulky as fuck he still is smooth in the ring , or Undertaker who is 6 ft tall and can fly out of the ring and is a master when it comes to telling a story ..

but guys like Rybotch or Mason Ryan or Great Khali are just plain stupid , horrible , dangerous to work with and should be kept away from the main event scene, especially when you're gimmick is a rip-off from another past wrestler's gimmick
 
#305 · (Edited)
ryback's botches are like chum in the water. i was even starting to like him too sadly. i mean not really, but i was going to go along with it since vince is shoving him down our throats. i'm sure most could tell the guy can't wrestle right from the start and is just good in squash matches cuz how can anyone be bad in squash matches. no cardio and apparently not enough power as well. did i mention caveman type mic skills. yeah that's a real superstar in the making. i wonder if they will just continue pushing him like nothing ever happened or will he end up in the garbage heap like tensai?
 
#308 ·
I don't think you guys understand how incredibly hard it would be to lift someone in that way, the fact he did it once is AMAZING, end of story.

And for those comparing it to Cena lifting Big Show on his shoulders you are stupid as all fuck. A firemans carry is thousands times easier than lifting the way Ryback does.

He has to both lift them higher, it takes much more power AND he has to use his power to balance them on his shoulders.
 
#309 · (Edited)
fireman's carry with big show and edge on top of big show is much easier than picking up tensai with ryback's move? he never even got tensai more than 2 feet off the ground and that's probably 250-300 pounds less than show with edge on his back. his whole character is that he's a beast like lesnar and batista, but apparently he's a pussy. as soon as those two failed attempts were over he was no longer ryback to me. he reverted back to being a nobody named skip sheffield. maybe if he grabbed another couple subway subs he could have gotten tensai up.
 
#313 ·
he sandbagged? maybe he was able to do it on smackdown and fucked up his back a little, but didn't feel it until he tried it again on raw. that's the only thing i could think of when it happened. in the end, all that matters is it was a trainwreck botch and everyone saw it. if it was on smackdown at least they could act like it never happened, but everyone saw it or will see a clip of it on youtube or somewhere. all these months of squash matches to build this momentum towards something big and he fucked it all up by this botch. amazing.
 
#312 ·
hmm I actually believe RyBotch isn't as strong as he looks,he struggled to lift that leather couch on 'MizTV' few weeks ago and probably Wade Barrett or Cesaro would of been able to do that to Tensai, and anyone think RyBotch looked legit pissed off because he knew Albert sandbagged?
 
#315 ·
He's too big for his body type. He wears extenders in his boots, and looks like bobby lashley having way too much roid muscle on a medium frame. But, as much as I hated lashley for having no personality nd sucking at wrestling at least he was athletic. Skippy just looks like he's going to hurt himself at any moment. It could have happened last night.
 
#318 ·
People are overlooking something.. Wrestling is tiring, a main eventer has to have cardio conditioning, not just mass, to be able to last through longer matches. Roidback looks like he's short of breath just from walking to the ring and can't even speak a sentence without breathing in the middle of it. If Ryberg is gassed after 5-6 minutes of wrestling with Tensai, that's why he couldnt pick him up, not because he's not strong enough or because Tensai necessarily sandbagged.

Lets not forget Albert is a pro and been in the business a long time, if anyone is going to botch i'll probably probably the green rookie he was in the ring with. So, the assertion that Albert sangbagged or the assertion that Roidback can't perform the move are both incorrect.

The real issue at hand is: Ryback does little else but inject steroids, lift heavy weights powerlifter-style and eat enough food to feed a small village. he has no cardio conditioning, hence after a couple minutes of aerobic activity, he's gassed and cant perform his own finishing move.
 
#321 · (Edited)
I wouldn't call Ryback a rookie. He was in OVW for five years wasn't he? Not to mention he got to wrestle a bit on the WWE platform before getting injured.

Goldberg was far off from being a workhorse as well but was terribly rough in his execution, particularly with his signatures. One key thing Ryback has over Goldberg is the fact he doesn't legitimately hurt people like the former did. That report saying he had done a number on the rookies was disproven. The thing that should be the company's priority is to ensure that the guy can get through a ten minute match MINIMUM so they can at least be assured he can meet that higher level they would want him to reach.

One thing that should be noted is the term "sandbag" does not ALWAYS refer to an intentional plan of action by the performer. It can mean how they miss their cue to jump, are out of sync with the other guy/girl, or are not offering enough physical support for the opponent to properly execute the move.
 
#320 ·
It was either sandbagging on Tensai's part, or there was some miscommunication and shit like that.

And yeah, OP, you sound like some idiotic "still real to me dammit" viewer.

"A REAL POWERHOUSE LIKE GOLDBERG WOULD LIFT HIM UP..."

Yeah. I imagine that Ryback is stronger (not necessarily true, though).
 
#324 ·
They could have covered for it better IMO. Botches happen, but it would have looked better if they had about 10 seconds of back and forth after the first botch before Ryback going for the finisher again. Would have looked like Tensai had actually countered it rather than just falling off his shoulders.
 
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#330 ·
It's a shame that this is the instance where Vince is willing to go full out on building a star in a clearcut manner with none of his 2009-onward trademarked approach (push 'em, then depush 'em coz I don't like him now dammit). That means fully preserving the mystique of the monster, actually treading around weaknesses of the performer and turning them into strengths (make it appear that Ryback's limitation as a worker is, in fact, kayfabe POWR as he plows through guys in under seven minutes), which is unlike anything he's done for so many years, and dangle him around the ME occasionally to remind casuals of his placement.

Two problems though, Vinnie: Goldberg's been done already (and better, might I add) and people are already lining up to compare them. That slip-up is not a good start, so what will you do if people start pressuring the guy behind Ryback to keep making blues?

Alot of people are waiting for him to slip up because they hate bullshit.
 
#331 ·
Yeah, somehow I know once it happened on RAW this week that a bunch of pissy little losers with no life would flip their shit. Fact is Ryback did in fact lift Tensei, even if he did struggle, that was the first time he ever lifted a guy Tensei's size. Ever.

He'll need to make some adjustments before he's ready for the main event scene, I won't act like he was ready yet. Imagine if something like that happened at a PPV for the WHC? That would have been so much worse than it was on RAW. I know Ryback is physically capable of doing it. Ryback should have dealt with someone heavier than Jack Swagger, and lighter than Lord Tensei.

Such a jump I feel played a role on what transpired on RAW, but partly I feel there was some sandbagging because it seemed so surreal to do it one night, then the next night he fails? Of course many half-brained fucks here would love to ignore that if they could just pointlessly bitch up and down.

People gotta grow up, shit happens, I'll still count myself as a Ryback fan. Hell, I think I'll be buying a Ryback shirt one of these days, but anyhow. I don't entirely think it was entirely intentional, the 'botch' I mean.
 
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