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post #291 of 460 (permalink) Old 10-02-2012, 07:22 PM
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Re: So after last night.. is Cesaro>Ryback?

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Which is a complete travesty and shows why no one is watching this stuff anymore. Pushing the guy with 3 moves, no mic skills or wrestling skills over someone like Cesaro just shows me that Vince has no idea what he's doing anymore.

I seriously believe Ryback could finally be the wrestler that achieves the impossible... bankrupt the WWE. Hopefully someone puts Vince in a retirement home before it's too late for the company and the business.
Big men like Ryback have always been pushed in wrestling. You're acting like Ryback is the first example of that. Take 2004 Batista for example, he wasn't very talented then, but he improved over time. Ryback can do that. He's limited to a few moves because that's how he's booked atm. When he starts competing in longer matches we'll see what he's like, it's still too early to judge when he's being booked in 2 minute squash matches all the time. We haven't really seen hardly any mic work from Ryback to judge his mic skills yet, but Cesaro isn't great on the mic either from what I've seen of him.

But yeah shame on WWE for pushing a guy like Ryback who's over with the crowd instead of a indy darling like Cesaro who comes out to crickets every time his music hits...
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

I actually thought that Cesaro was going to botch his finisher with Clay but he did well. Ryback on the other I thought it was going to be a piece cake to lift Tensai again but I was wrong.
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

Seeing Ryback struggle to lift up Tensai looked pretty bad lol, people here were sayign that while he was similar to Goldberg, Ryback is a much bigger dude, but that being said, Goldberg was able to do stuff like Jack Hammer the Giant and other massive guys on more than a handful of occasions.
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Ryback is a liability remember that news report that came out saying none of the talent wanted to get in the ring with Ryback because he was to dangerous to work with well heres your proof hes botching and hes gonna hurt someone soon
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post #295 of 460 (permalink) Old 10-02-2012, 07:37 PM
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback...

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While I'm all for ragging on guys for botching spots (especially power spots), I have to say I think you must have zero experience in lifting whatsoever if you think that how Ryback lifts guys up for that move is easy, or just as easy as lifting people in the typical fireman's carry or vertical suplex fashion (your F5 and Jackhammer comparisons)

Ryback's move is more difficult. He has less leverage the way he does it with more weight away from his body, and barely uses his legs.

If a near 400 pounder like Tensai doesn't assist with that move, it's extremely difficult to pull it off. Not like a fireman's carry or a powerbomb or a rock bottom where you can forcefully yank people into the moves fairly easily.

But yes, it was a botch and it was embarrassing. It was also obvious Tensai sandbagged him. Ryback also pulled the move off on him already on Smackdown. And on 2 people at once multiple times.
Probably the most intelligent reply within this entire thread. Many people seem to not be looking at the entire picture in this situation. Hence the difference in difficulty of separate maneuvers, the obvious "sandbagging" factor provided by Lord Tensai (A-Train), possible strain (or injury) that may have occurred to either man prior to the spot, and how the repercussions weigh out when considering the outcome of a botch involving John Cena (or an equivalent superstar in stature) compared to that of Ryback. For instance if a performer were to intentionally sandbag (or botch/poorly sell) a spot within a match booked against a John Cena he would instantly be placed on disciplinary probation or even terminated for such a mistake. That may not necessarily be the case while keeping in mind how fresh (or green) Ryback still is in this business, even when considering how quickly he's beginning to be pushed. I disagree with alot of people claiming he was barely able to pull off the maneuver (or was struggling) on SmackDown. He seemed pretty capable and confident while executing it and even proceeded to waltz around with his trademark stomp which isn't anything to snicker at. Another fact indicating that Lord Tensai may have intentionally sandbagged Ryback is that he never attempted in the slightest to even cover up the botch by providing an elbow, knee, or axe-handle to remain within kayfabe and ensure each fan the believable match that they paid or were tuned in for. Also remember that Lord Tensai (A-Train) has decades of ring experience as a "veteran" and showed no such qualities whatsoever in this instance while Ryback is merely packing a year or two under his belt. I'm not a huge Ryback fanatic or a "mark" as some of you will probably try to insinuate, although I have enjoyed his short stint thus far. The main reason I'm coming to his defense in this matter is that I call things how I see them, unbiased, and with brutal honesty. Both men were affected in a negative way due to this blatant botch which could have been intentional or if not at least prevented by Lord Tensai. Nuff said!

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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

Ryback also looks legit shorter than Cena as well.
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

I looked at the botch, and the first try, he picked Tensai up not in a solid way and Tensai slipped, probably because of the sweat. And the second try, it really looked like Tensai sandbagged.

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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

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Ryback also looks legit shorter than Cena as well.
He's as tall as Punk if you noticed, an inch doesn't make a big different.
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Ryback's problem is he doesn't have conditioning. He's big and jacked from all the steroid use, but having a lot of mass is not the same thing as being in good shape. To be a good wrestler you need to have good cardio conditioning so you still have gas left in the tank at the end of a 5-10 minute match.

Ryback looks like someone who just injects test and does some heavy low-rep-range lifting, and never does cardio. As a result, he sounds like he's short of breath just from walking down to the ring. And while he can function in short squash matches, he is gassed out after 5+ minutes of a real match to the point where he can't even lift his opponent.

This is pretty typical of steroid abusers, they get so much mass that it actually becomes a burden on them and they lack the conditioning to do any sort of aerobic exercise. With that in mind, is it any surprised he's so gassed after 5-10 minutes that he can't lift Tensai?
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ryback officially jumped the shark. the idiots in the crowd were still cheering him like they didn't see or understand what happened. just shows you what type of people the wwe is catering too nowadays. either that or people are so in cruise control mentally and start cheering when they are supposed to cheer.
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