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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

Bitch please, picking someone up has been botched by the likes of John Cena. oh and sorry, shouldn't have used 'botch', cause its not. Not being able to pick some fat ass up is not a botch.

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Naturally powerful? Why don't you stick to what you know here, which is clearly not power lifting/bodybuilding/fitness in general? Just don't embarrass yourself. Goldberg and Lesnar were both very involved in power demanding sports from a very young age. Both football and Greco Roman wrestling require very demanding strength training routines, which then lead into bodybuilding, which then lead into power lifting. Ryback is a guy who popped steroids earlier in his career and got himself in rehab because of it. Do the math.
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

Looked pretty sloppy. Looked to me as if Tensai sandbagged him because Ryback managed to pull it off on Smackdown, if i remember correctly? Commentators did a good job of covering it up though, plus it simply makes his clothesline look more lethal. Harm done, but not TOO much.

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1. Even CM Punk was able to firemans lift Big Show.

2. Brock dropped [Tensai] on his head too.

3. Goldberg never botched?!

4. A powermove to a big guy takes co-operation, see The Neutraliser on Clay.
Honestly, a firemans lift is a lot easier than fishermen suplex hold. I firemans lifted someone who weighed near 300 lbs at 180 lbs, and I'm no where near as strong as Ryback.

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yeah my strong feeling is too that tensai sandbagged it. The "stupid" shout after second attempt wrapped it all.
Just because he shouted "stupid" doesn't mean Tensai sandbagged, he could've just botched it.

Or Ryback knew it was his fault but he was embarrassed and didn't know what to do so he passed the buck onto Tensai to attempt to make himself look stronger.
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

Ryback yells "stupid" in almsot every match he's in.

That being said, I do think Tensai sandbagged him a little. He did it so easily on SD that it's hard to imagine it was the same circumstance this week. You can see Tensai not jumping at all.

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The only people that give half a shit about Ryback not managing to hit his finisher on Tensai last night are right here on this thread. Elsewhere, millions of wrestling fans worldwide give no fucks and have forgotten it already. Next week he will still be getting more and more over.
I totally disagree with everything except for your last statement. I do think he'll bounce back from this and (probably) continue to get more and more over (he got a big pop later on that night, assuming it wasn't piped in), but I also think people do care about the botch and it does matter.

Ryback has clearly been being pushed as this massively strong monster face for months and months. He has one of his most important matches on RAW and he completely fails to lift his opponent and properly execute the move that's supposed to make him look super strong, not once, but twice.

Unless they turn the botch into some sort of storyline I think this only served to hurt Ryback going forward. It just takes away from the awe that's supposed to surround him. The feeling that he can easily lift and destroy anyone in his path. Now there's a doubt placed in everyone's mind. Maybe not a major doubt, and maybe it doesn't majorly hurt him... maybe he was 10/10 awesome before and now he's 9/10 awesome. But it's still a difference.

Maybe I'm making a bigger deal about it than it really is, and I'm totally wrong about this, but it's just how I feel.
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

I see it's clear to (allmost) everyone that it was 100% Tensai's foult. I feel there is no place for discussion here.
and.... the most important: who gives a crap??? even if it's Ryback's foult, he still got the biggest pop of the night, later in the show. now, after 2 raws, it seems like WWE is gonna build-up a fued between the 2, all the way to Wrestlemania 29. I would prefer Cena vs Ryback at Mania, but having Ryback winning the title from Punk, would be huge also . perhaps, what we saw in the last 2 raws was just a promo. I feel WWE will let Punk kipping the title untill Mania, and by that time- Ryback will continue his total dominance over (allmost) the whole roster, making him looks very strong and prepered to his clash against Punk at Mania. like Ryback's way to the top, the fued with Punk will be also built-up slowly-slowly, till the big clash.
and about the comparisions with Cena/ Goldberg/ Lesner: I will addmit that Cena and Goldberg are 2 of my FAVOURITES, but the comparision of pure power is total irrelevant, since wrestling is not all about pure power. I feel, in terms of the total package, Ryback has the potencial to be in Cena's and Bill's league (no doubt he will be) and he has the "it" factor much more than Brock.L will ever have. Ryback is a perfect example of the "larger than life" character, while Brock.L is very strong, intense, impressive and all- but he will never be that "larger than life" character of Ryback. you can just hear the crowd's reaction to Ryback, when he came out to stand face to face with Punk. his entrance, his confidence, his look, his power, make ppl cheer for him, eventhought his push to the top card have started just 1 month ago. no doubt- THE next face of WWE. comparisions with the likes of Batista/ Brock.L are awefull, couse he will be much bigger than them. he is going to be in greatest of the greatest league, no doubt.
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Re: Oh Dear Ryback... [the botches]

I seem to recall Punk botching every single power move he tried against Tensai too.

I understand they're different wrestlers with different expectations but my point is perhaps this has to do with Tensai just being sloppy in the ring.

That's a match he won too.
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Naturally powerful? Why don't you stick to what you know here, which is clearly not power lifting/bodybuilding/fitness in general? Just don't embarrass yourself. Goldberg and Lesnar were both very involved in power demanding sports from a very young age. Both football and Greco Roman wrestling require very demanding strength training routines, which then lead into bodybuilding, which then lead into power lifting. Ryback is a guy who popped steroids earlier in his career and got himself in rehab because of it. Do the math.
and that's exactly why he is such a piece of trash as a wrestler and a character in the wwe, why can't people see it it's beyond me
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