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post #101 of 147 (permalink) Old 09-25-2012, 04:54 PM
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Re: How does Cena do it?

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See, this is what Cena does.
This is what the writers do.
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Re: How does Cena do it?

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"I don't care what you think of me"

You know, I can't tell, but there's something definitely up with Cena that we can't see tbh. Talented fella, but I really don't know what game he's playing anymore.
Cena condradicts himself when he says he doesn't care what people think about him because he then goes out of his way to get people to cheer him. So obviously he does care.
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Re: How does Cena do it?

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As I said, pandering is part of Cena's job as a face, every face do that.
Punk really received strong push, I don't know what Vince can do for him besides shooting to the company and breaking kayfabe must of the times.
Punk outsold Cena in merch only once, he couldn't continue to do that, plus, he never was draw. I'm not saying he's failure because apparently he's not, but he certainly is over-pushed, he may be entertaining for you, but not for me nor the other audiences who tune out every time he appears.
I can think of plenty who were pushed harder than he was, though I think the problem with Punk's push isn't really punk himself but rather the direction he was pushed in. The quality of the booking I think might to be to blame, but again only started watching for the last year or so, so my opinion probably lacks the same perspective as yours or anyone elses. Everyone has their own taste, their own preferred flavor, and while I do prefer CM Punk personally over John Cena, personally I'm a bigger Ryback fan personally, but I like a variety so WWE works in some ways.

With John Cena's injury, maybe this is a good time to build up CM Punk's stock without the worry of being overshadowed. I know other faces have 'pandered' but in a way they all had a well defined and captivating character. The Rock was larger than life, rediculous but charismatic, Stone Cold was a alcoholic anti-hero who was ready to kick anyones ass, Hulk Hogan was the ultimate patriotic figure, practically the Captain America of wrestling (Minus his stint as Hollywood Hogan), and then you have John Cena, who only really gets cheers when he sucks up to the crowd, which feels more like a crutch than the typical face of the company deal.

Then again, this is all opinion, it's not that I believe that John Cena shouldn't appear on television - that wouldn't work. I just feel he doesn't need to main event every time, people will pay to see him in a solid match, cut a promo, the works. I personally would pay to see a world champ main event legitimately regardless of whether or not he was fighting Cena.

It just feels like an over saturation of John Cena is impairing the business, I like to compare WWE to majort comic publishers like Marvel or DC who tend to oversaturate the market with iconic characters when they are unable to really do anything else with the rest of their thousands of characters. While some characters really have no hope of redemption (same goes with wrestling gimmicks and wrestlers themselves), other times writing proves sufficiently capable of moulding a good fanbase around re-established or new characters.

While bad writing can sufficiently kill them.

OF course, different mediums, different companies, but each rely on a good deal of writing and a good deal of sensationalism. The difference is Wrestling is more reliant on the individuals themselves to play the characters and perform the moves.

Wow, I really rambled on there, my apologies.
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post #104 of 147 (permalink) Old 09-25-2012, 05:31 PM
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Uh rock did kis ass 24\7, they all do, thats what I'm saying

if they did not do that they would not be over simple.
It's much more obvious with Cena than it was with various other fan favorites in the past. For an example, the Rock showed some love to the audience but he didn't treat anyone with kid gloves. If the audience gave the Rock hell, he would give it right back to them (which ironically enough is what helped got him over in the first place). The Rock never came out smiling from ear to ear, he never made excuses for his haters, he never went out of his way to appease everybody, he never lost his edge in an effort to cater exclusively to a specific demographic, he didn't churn out do gooder messages left and right. Whereas with Cena, he might as well have a red cape at this point.
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As I said, as long as he's entertaining heel, then it doesn't matter if he got cheers or boos, people can cheer who they want, just like what today's fans are doing, cheering the heels even though they suck. Talking about Cena being over pushed while you're punk mark? Okay.
Cena has been given the worst storyline in WWE with Big Show ans big Johnny in WWE and other craps for almost a year, not to mention he hasn't been WWE champion for year now, not even competing in a championship match until the last two months, even the story with punk revolves mostly around punk rather than Cena, then how he's the most pushed guy, and how he's everything in WWE?
Back in the time WWE was about 5 or 6 guys, you're right, but they wasn't in the same position neither were they booked the same way, Austin wasn't the same as Foley or Taker, Austin wined most of the times, and when he was losing, it wasn't clean, not to mention he always was in the main event. You're talking about 5 or 6 guys as if this era is full of talented wrestlers, this era sucks because of lack of talent, Cena has nothing to do with it. Also Cena lost more clean than Hogan and Austin, I don't even remember when was the last time Cena won, oh yes, it was money in the bank which he unsuccessfully cashed in to be the first one who does that. The bottom line is Cena is the face of the company and he's getting the biggest push wether you like it or not, even though Hogan and Austin got more pushes than Cena. Talking about cena not putting any talent over while he was the reason that Punk in this position right now because he lost to him in many times and don't really remember Cena defeating Punk other than that irrelevant raw.

But punk received the biggest push for more than a year and he still can't draw, not to mention letting him to break kayfabe and shoot to the company to get over, also his recent storyline with Heyman and his usual sucking up to IWC, I don't know what Vince can do for this more to make him a draw.
No, cheering the heel more than booing him means he sucks as a heel, what kind of a heel that gets more cheers. Guys like Trips, Edge, Austin, Rock, Batista, Punk these guys got mixed reactions and get their name chanted that's fine but getting cheers is . You don't know what the word "heel" means.

No I'm talking about Cena in the last 10 years, until now he's the most pushed guy. Defeating guys like Trips, Batista, Michaels, Orton, Edge, Lesnar, Taker, Angle, etc. and every midcarder and upper midcarder in the past years. Punk was a WWE midcarder champion, and Cena was maineventing every week, it doesn't matter who he faced, he was the focus all along. When Punk started the Respect angle, he became a constant draw and been the focus of the show. Punk only defeated few big stars, that's one of the reason why he isn't drawing big, and many wasn't even fair wins. So many times that Kurt Angle, Benoit, Trips, Taker, Michaels, Kane, Jericho, Foley etc. were on Rocky and Austin level of booking/position and it wasnt all about those two. They had the chance to mainevent over them on so many occasions. Be more respectful next time, whether I like it or not, no I don't like it because he's over pushed, overrated, and generic. Hogan, Austin, Rocky, hell even Batista and Edge were bigger draws in 2005 and 2006 where they got higher ratings than Cena ever did as champs. So, he isn't something special, he's just overrated. Punk outsold Cena for 6 months more than anyone and still going toe to toe with Cena.

Punk is a heel what do you expect him to do? What does that have to do with the IWC. That what heels do, man grow up. Cena sucking up to the fans big time to get sympathy from them is okay, but hey it's a crime for Punk to do it even when he doesn't.
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Re: How does Cena do it?

i just wonder whats the direction of WWE if Linda accidently goes to senate? how would that effect the product

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Re: How does Cena do it?

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i just wonder whats the direction of WWE if Linda accidently goes to senate? how would that effect the product
I always thought she had her seat, but I suppose that's what I get for not researching.
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Re: How does Cena do it?

How does he do it? By getting a big meaty pay check for his troubles that others won't earn in an entire lifetime.

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Re: How does Cena do it?

1. Cena is a good ass kisser. Go back to his face run as the rapper, and you'll hear how he used to kiss ass when he free-styled. Add to that, the guy had a vintage sports jersey every night for whatever city he was in; trust me, he's a professional ass kiss.

2. Are you forgetting that he's going up against a heel CM Punk? A guy who tried to verbally and physically attack Bret Hart in Montreal, and refused to perform in Chicago??? It's easy to kiss ass when the heel does a great job.
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Re: How does Cena do it?

Cena is severely underestimated on this board

Whether you like John Cena or not, when he comes out you KNOW something interesting is going to happen. He has the vibe of "The Guy" and he brings a lot to the table.

I would definitely like a character change in Cena, I hate the kiddie bullshit, but he's still entertaining.

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