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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#433 ·
yeah... punk's fault

nothing to do with the MAIN EVENT AND IT'S BUILD UP being a 80's horror film storyline with Louis Ryder being haunted by Kane Luthor in order to lure SUPER CENA to rescue his damisel in distress

let's not forget our dear WWE champ faced WWE's second biggest heel jobber, the one that loses so much, no one even cares about
 
#438 ·
As far as I can tell:

Put CM Punk in the spotlight: ratings fall
Punt CM Punk to the midcard: ratings still fall
Put Cena back in the spotlight: ratings still fall
Put a diva into the final segment: ratings still fall
Just to the same thing over and over again: ratings still fall
Jericho returns: ratings still fall
Triple H as CEO: ratings still fall
Johnny Ace as CEO: ratings still fall
Dolph: ratings still fall
Swagger: ratings still fall
Masked Kane: ratings still fall
Night after MITB: ratings still fall

etc.
etc.
etc.
 
#439 ·
Although I question the delivery of this post, I agree with the overall message in it.
 
#443 ·
As if the ratings professionals on this forum are able to turn things around with their awesome suggestions :rolleyes:
I agree... let's get advice from a real professional:

 
#442 ·
LOL@ people blaming Punk when he's not even the main focus of the show, even the Truth\Miz feud got more attention than Punk\Ziggler.

Do you all honestly think casuals decide whether or not to watch Raw based solely on who is WWE champion, even when said champion is not the focus of the show?

Is Punk a ratings draw? No, quite the opposite in fact, but if anything these ratings suggest WWE in general is not drawing all that well at the moment, regardless of who the show is focussed on. With that being said, in 2012 ratings should really be taken with a grain of salt. As long as ratings aren't dipping to the point where they're affecting revenue, WWE should really consider live crowd reactions and merchandise sales as a more accurate measure of a talent's popularity.
 
#463 ·
BS. I doubt the IWC craves for skits featuring fat guys dancing, La Cucuracha with a mentally challenged wrestler, face SuperCena being a major player in the show and a Canadian guy going to the ring only to get stage fright 2 weeks in a row.
 
#457 ·
Exactly thank you. And I love Jericho but please, no one wants to analyze how great his character depth is and how genius he is for trolling a paying live crowd just to get some heat for some storyline god knows where thats gonna go. I do wanna watch something cool, and I do wanna see some badasses do their thing. Has nothing to do with what "era" we're in. Every era had authentic real characters and badasses like Flair, Rhodes, Piper to guys like Razor, Michaels, Diesel, Taker, to the guys like Foley, Rock, Austin, HHH. HHH is 10x the heel Jericho will EVER be, and you don't see HHH or Flair over analyzing shit to make people boo them. They just had the crowd in the palm of their hand.

We are missing those upper echelon of icons from this era. Why, because I really believe its the worst of them all. And I really do hate the arguments between what era was better and what times were better because it doesn't matter that time is absolutely gone. But I really get pissed when I see shit like this on my TV week in and week out, when in this day and age there is potential for a shit load of great ideas and creativity to tap into, and they just decide to produce this contrived bullshit that obviously does not translate to a wide audience. They have to be more creative. Over the years its just steadily declining and its no coincidence that its all uncreative kids based shit. It really isn't a smart decision to keep going like this. I believe HHH knows this, Shane knows this (which is prob why he left), and others know. I just hope these young guys are given the outlet to really shine and show their true potential and help revolutionize the product again like their predecessors in the late 90's-00's.
 
#458 ·
2 weeks in a row now Jericho has been the number one twitter trend when he has appeared, i know the WWE overuse the twitter reference but they have calmed it down recently and it is a pretty good indication that people are interested in him/the storyline.

Stop saying the 'casuals' as if you have more of a grasp on what they like than someone whos been in the business for years
 
#459 ·
1. Cannot blame CM Punk. He's on in the middle of the show. Wasn't even advertised at the start of the show! So how can that rating be his fault?

2. Cannot blame Jericho. Jericho wasn't advertised whatsoever and only consumed 5 minutes of the show. Not the start, not the main event, somewhere near the end. So how can the ratings be his fault? Top trending superstar of the past two weeks and his return increased ratings from 2.9 to 3.1.

3. Cannot blame John Cena. Cena has been placed in the stupidest storyline I have seen OPEN & CLOSE the show for the past few years. It's ridiculously awful and the payoff is something every 7 year old kid can see coming...and doesn't want to happen (the heel turn) He is also a proven draw.

4. Cannot blame Zack Ryder. Ryder himself doesn't make people switch the channel, he only wrestles, he doesn't play a significant role on the show regarding storylines (unless you think his little fling with Eve is the top storyline of the show).

5. Cannot blame Ziggler, Shaemus, Bryan, the divas, the McMahons, Triple H, Brodus Clay, Undertaker, Basketball games, Football games, College games & History channels.


BLAME KANE

His involvement in the Cena storyline is atrocious. It's not compelling, its not entertaining, its repetitive and has barely produced much wrestling at all. People want to see Cena involved with The Rock, not with fucking Kane...but you know...keep blaming others who have no grasp on the ratings. It's fine, you guys need to always find shit to bitch about, right? :)
 
#466 ·
Some more ratings news:

Source: PWinsider
Link: http://www.pwinsider.com/article/64866/earth-well-america-to-vince-mcmahon-time-to-wake-up-raw-rating.html?p=1
The 1/9 edition of Raw did a 2.9 rating with 4,008,000 viewers. That is down from last week's 3.1 rating and 4,438,000 viewers. Once again, viewership dropped as the show went on as hour one did a 2.96 and hour two did a 2.77, and lost 176,000 viewers.
Before people point to the BCS Championship game on ESPN, while it did a 16.22 rating and 24,214,000 viewers, it was down about 15% from last year's game and by the end the game was a blowout so that would not explain people tuning out of Raw. Also, most of the broadcast networks ran repeats. So if Vince wants a reason as to why people left, let's try bad "horror" skits and having a guy unable to change a tire. It's a great place to start.
Source: PWTorch
Link: http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_56811.shtml
By James Caldwell, PWTorch assistant editor

WWE Raw on Monday, January 9 scored a 2.87 rating, down from a 3.10 rating last week and the lowest rating since December 12. It was also the second-lowest rating since September when the fall season began.

Raw averaged 4.00 million viewers, down 10 percent compared to last week and the fewest overall viewers since September 12. The first hour averaged 4.096 million viewers and the second hour dropped to an average of 3.92 million viewers. It was the fewest first hour viewers since Sept. 12 and fewest second hour viewers since November 7.
-- Raw was opposed by the BCS National Title game, which averaged 24.4 million viewers, and the regular slate of History Channel opposition during the second hour to negatively affect Raw viewership.

In the key male demographics, Raw did finish #2 behind the title game among males 18-34, but finished #3 among older adult males 18-49 behind the title game and "Pawn Stars" on History. In overall viewership on cable TV, Raw finished #7 on the night.Looking more at the m18-34 rating, which was one of the few bright spots on the night, Raw scored its second-highest rating in the demo since May 2, which covers 37 weeks. Following the pattern of big sporting events pulling away older male viewers from wrestling, Raw's male 18-49 rating dropped 6.1 percent compared to last week's show. Whereas, the strong m18-49 rating increased 6.6 percent compared to last week.

-- Last year's second Raw of 2011 up against the BCS Title game scored a 3.05 rating (2012 down 5.9 percent) and averaged 4.50 million viewers (2012 down 11 percent). Also, viewership increased from the first to second hour, unlike the recent pattern on Raw.
So that means that almost 500.000 people didn't watch compared to last year. That's pretty bad. Although I did enjoy last weeks raw.
 
#467 · (Edited)
LOL another week and the same stuff, at least its all contained into one thread now. It is a dissapointing # but the same 4 million that actually watch Raw live on TV watched Raw live on TV again this week a few less most likely due to the college football fans that watched the BCS Title game.

TV ratings are down across the board for just about everything on TV, even the BCS title game but that probably doesn't have any effect on Raw's ratings at all right? Television is a declining medium simple as that.

I am not saying Raw was great or anything (I found it entertaining though) but of course THE RATINGZ!!! are all that really matters right? I find it funny that there are people who think ratings still mean the same thing they did 10-15 years ago. I am not saying they are totally meaningless but the yare not the end all/be all anymore. And until I read a report that NBC Universal is upset about Raw's ratings then the ratings are being blown WAY out of proportion by alot of posters here.
 
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