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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#547 ·
January 2nd, 2012 - Breakdown
Q1 - 3.36 rating / 4.77 million
Q2 - 3.13 rating / 4.44 million
Q3 - 3.30 rating / 4.68 million
Q4 - 3.00 rating / 4.25 million
Q5 + Q6 3.08 rating / 4.43 million
Q7 - 3.02 rating / 4.35 million
Q8 + OR - 3.33 rating / 4.73 million

Not an atrocious breakdown by any means, just disappointing with no bump at all for Jericho's segment. You can't blame his actions once he had come out, the audience didn't predict he was going to do that, so it's all a bit odd. But the numbers do not lie.

January 9th, 2012 - Breakdown
Q1 - 3.07 rating / 4.25 million
Q2 - 2.90 rating / 4.01 million
Q3 - 2.97 rating / 4.11 million
Q4 - 2.91 rating / 4.03 million
Q5 - 2.93 rating / 4.15 million
Q6 - 2.80 rating / 3.96 million
Q7 - 2.71 rating / 3.83 million
Q8 - 2.39 rating / 3.29 million
OR - 2.84 rating / 3.93 million

I think this is more alarming than atrocious. The first thing I'd point to is Chris Jericho's segment under 4 million viewers. It feels as if their work from the "It Begins" promos has been undone or they have gone in entirely the wrong direction. Jericho's angle doesn't get people talking about the angle in a positive light, it gets people talking in a negative light. His segment also doesn't bring old fans which may be concerning. Okay, he wasn't the biggest draw, but I think *some* boost must have been expected. But there was no twist from his angle last week, hell, some people may have just thought it was a one night appearance, which wouldn't surprise me.

The real concern, however, is Q8. RAW should never be recording quarter ratings of 3.3 million unless:

a) it is a holiday (it wasn't)
b) it is on a different channel or timeslot (it wasn't)
c) it is the first hour of a three hour RAW (it wasn't)

Q8 was on from 22:45 to 23:00 which was a Royal Rumble rebound, two commercials and the Kane/Ryder/Eve stuff. So there was only about 5 minutes of action in a 15-minute quarter. But that is no excuse for the extremely poor quarter hour, otherwise you may as well go through the other eight quarters and find the filler material.
 
#548 ·
Q8 was on from 22:45 to 23:00 which was a Royal Rumble rebound, two commercials and the Kane/Ryder/Eve stuff. So there was only about 5 minutes of action in a 15-minute quarter. But that is no excuse for the extremely poor quarter hour, otherwise you may as well go through the other eight quarters and find the filler material.
Yes but the 5 minutes of action was suppose to be diva's match remember? I dont think we can blame ryder or kane on this. People probably tuned in after commercial, saw Eve torres make her entrance and thought its going to be Divas match, so decided to change channel or a "Piss break".

WWE is stupid for running that Kane-Ryder injury/Brawl angle before the divas match.
 
#549 ·
Jericho losing viewers again is just horrible. There's no other way to describe it really. I understand that the overall show is shitty and that the quarter hours he's been given are also a bit odd but this is still a really bad reflection on him. Rock has appeared in Q2 and had a ridiculous gain in a segment that usually loses viewers. Yes I know he's the Rock but still. HHH has also appeared during a random quarter when the shows were also pretty shitty and it gained viewers too. The pattern that we all established a while back was that people were tuning in for the big stars to see what they were doing no matter what and then leaving again in the middle of the show before coming back at the end again. Nobody seems to be tuning in for Jericho at all, not even to see him and then leave when his part is done. After all that hype and.....nothing. It's just not good.

As for the overall breakdown, they flat out suck. But since MNF is done with I suspect that we'll see the viewership bump we were expecting for Jan 2nd next week. Maybe it's just going to come 2 weeks too late is all. If things haven't picked up by the end of the month, then it will be cause for concern; firstly because of the impact on Rumble buys and for obvious reasons also.
 
#550 · (Edited)
I think if something like this happened in the opening slot, 10pm slot 9 (Q5), or last slot of the show, then the numbers we're seeing right now would be terrible. The thing is it hasn't been, and I personally think it's been a mistake not putting him there. HHH was at least always in one of those big slots (Q1, Q5, or Q8+OR) so of course it was going to do well (I wouldn't call it random either). Granted he did a lot better than Punk is now, and he's a bigger draw than Jericho, but I think if Jericho came out in one of the big three quarters, he would've at least gotten a good number for it. Stick him in the Q5 slot next week and see what happened. (I wouldn't expect an 800,000+ increase or something great like that, but maybe a good number like 400k-500k plus increase).

The only reason I can think of that they haven't done it yet and instead have put him in these normally losing timeslots is because they wanted people to really keep their eyes on the TV and stay tuned throughout the whole show for Jericho's return. They wanted to get those numbers to increase the last couple of weeks... but since it's been a surprise to see him in those timeslots and people don't want to see the rest of the shit that goes on, I don't think anyone could really get those numbers to increase at least decently nowadays besides a big draw like Rock, Cena, Taker, or HHH.

I say he should be put in one of the big timeslots, a Cena segment should be put in one of those big timeslots, and then third one is up in the air between another Cena segment/match or a Punk segment (not a Punk match since those have been poor ratings wise). At least try that for next week and see what happens. If Jericho's slot does well then it does well and the angle isn't as much a failure ratings wise as it's appearing. If it doesn't do well... then guess it shows this whole "Jericho being silent" thing just isn't working with the casuals and maybe he should start talking again at least.
 
#551 ·
Why are people surprised at Y2J losing viewers? There is absolutely nothing entertaining about him right now. You could argue that he is planting seeds for a heel turn and a future feud and I would agree with you. As far as entertainment right now regarding Y2J, as soon as I knew he was going to do same thing, I changed the channel.
 
#553 ·
lol... but somehow it was true, and I still don't understand why or how to this very day that happened unless people really turned on the channel and thought he was Batista. :lmao
 
#555 ·
Don't remember HHH being in a Q3 segment unless it was that one time he did a small backstage segment with John L., and that (along with other stuff) lost viewers.

I'll admit though, I can understand this week, after last week why people may have tuned out when he was doing the same thing he did last week. They probably thought he wasn't going to speak... and they were right. Still it was only an 80k loss, so I don't think it's THAT bad. The other thing is Jericho has never been a draw anyway, so that's another reason why I don't think he's doing that badly considering how much those odd quarters can and have lost.

But yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens this week as a whole.
 
#559 ·
Main event rating was poor, if it was Punk in it people would be bitching non stop fpalm people need to face the fact wwe will not garner much ratings anymore, them days of high ratings are gone, wwe are now relying on advertisements and sponsorships and merchandise sales more than anything for money rather than ratings.
 
#561 ·
Watching the Legends of Wrestling Roundtable on "Renegades & Outlaws" & one thing that Jim Ross said really resonated with me. Paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact quote, but he made a comment about how the majority of professional wrestlers today in WWE are content with just doing what they're told & cashing their check because it's a good, high paying job. No one tries to go out & go the extra mile to climb the ladder of success. No one tries to cause any ripples in the water, or ruffle any feathers, because all they care about is keeping their job so they can get another paycheck next week.

There isn't any passion or emotion in the show. As a viewer, you can tell that the wrestlers are just going through the motions. It doesn't feel like entertainment anymore, it feels like watching people work their jobs. Wrestlers like Kofi Kingston come to mind.

That is a big reason why I would guess the ratings are going down. There's not excitement, intrigue, interest or drama anymore. Every week it feels like the week before. Nothing changes on the show. Outcomes of matches don't matter. The belts are all worthless. The feuds are just place-holders until the next Pay-Per-View.
 
#562 ·
The locker room has become too nice it seems lol. It isn't full of veterans with egos all vying for a spot. It's full of green as shit rookies who don't want to rock the boat. If you look at some of the people who have received pushes in the past year or so, they are guys who are reportedly going that extra mile and proving their dedication. Miz and Seamus are 2 names that spring to mind. I remember a quote from somebody, can't remember who, who said that when they broke into the WWF, or E lol, that the locker room was 80% vets and 20% rookies. Nowadays that has completely changed. It may not seem like something major but I think it's very significant. People just coming in for a paycheck will keep a company afloat but they are never going to take it to new heights.

Random thought of the day lol.
 
#565 ·
If he wins the rumble, will you tune in the next night to see what he will do?

Cause if it's a yes...then mission accomplished.
 
#564 ·
Has the latest ratings arrived now? Since the mods moved this into one thread I can't be fucked going back page after page looking for them. Pathetic idea having one thread.
 
#577 ·
Its working? People are tuning out or people dont even tune in for his segments. Fans dont give a shit about jericho.

I wouldnt call that working. Its a shame, Punk needs a better opponent than this failed "Troll" Y2J.



Ryder is somehow the biggest ratings killer it would appear, he's been constantly in the lowest, or one of the lowest rated segments, it's as if fans hate him. I can't see why (inb4Ryderhaters) since he's not THAT bad, even though his RAW character sucks compared to his youtube shows but compared to the rest of the show, the matches or segments with him seem to bomb bigtime.
I think its because most of his fans watch raw on youtube lol.
 
#572 ·
I love how people still bash Punk yet ignoring the fact that Cena/Ziggler did worse. It's not Punk, stop being so blind thinking one person changes the ratings. It's not Cena either, or Jericho or anyone. These storylines are some of the worst they've ever put out. It's hard to keep interest in the product. It's not up to one damn wrestler.
 
#575 ·
Ryder is somehow the biggest ratings killer it would appear, he's been constantly in the lowest, or one of the lowest rated segments, it's as if fans hate him. I can't see why (inb4Ryderhaters) since he's not THAT bad, even though his RAW character sucks compared to his youtube shows but compared to the rest of the show, the matches or segments with him seem to bomb bigtime.
 
#587 ·
maybe because for the past weeks they've been pairing him with the blandest diva since kelly kelly?

Eve has that talent Kelly has to suck out the interest of anything involved with a segment, every single segment where eve is loses ratings, and it's a proven fact
 
#581 ·
What Jericho is doing atm is gunna inevitably make his Punk feud less beneficial for Punk.

I mean i hesitate to use the word self-burial but chris isn't helping with his current schtick.

Its bad enough Punks gunna be feuding with him in the first place but now's he gunna be feuding with someone the audience don't care about.
 
#583 ·
This pretty much, Jericho simply isn't that much of a star that using such a formula can work, he does get big pops but I feel he wanted to get even more, plus the fact that the fans didn't turn on him yet when he was supposed to get heat the first night he returned. Let's not forget that he was mostly an upper midcarder in his last run, all of a sudden he does segments where it's all about the fans cheering him? I mean the feud COULD work, if they build it up properly, but if this report is true (I hope it's dirtsheet bs) then CM Punk is in for a nightmare for WM:

WWE officials have suggested an idea that Jericho won't speak on RAW until after the Royal Rumble. There is talk to have Jericho win the Royal Rumble and then finally speak for the first time by giving a victory speech and maybe calling out WWE Champion CM Punk for Wrestlemania 28.

Source : lordsofpain.net
Although if he does win RR as suggested by this report, there will be no questions asked as far as credibillity goes, no doubt.
 
#582 ·
Why are people on CM Punk's back. Saying stuff like he can't draw or it's all his fault for the slump in ratings. Reality check it's not Punk it's the product as a whole. The face is meant to sell merchandise, the story line draws the ratings and heel makes it interesting. It all blends and mixes to make an entertaining and fun to watch show. Let's not beat around the bush the storylines are awful and some backroom staff need sacked, I don't like people getting sacked but they've been so bad for too long they need to go. Vince needs to realise what people want and mix it up abit, you can cater to kids for so long they will grow up and think I'm not watching this shit and stop watching all together. As for the heels I enjoy watching ziggler in the ring but he just isn't interesting whatsoever, same with Alberto del rio. Miz is interesting but can't hold as the main heel. Stop blaming Punk, when they gave him something decent to work with you were all over his cock now the writing and storylines are horrible it's all his fault, he's bland, boring and it's his fault the ratings a low. It's a 2hour show not 15minutes! The people to blame are not the wrestlers but the writers!
 
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