Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.
In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.
Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.
Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.
The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.
Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.
The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.
The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.
And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
Nah.. Brock wasnt much of a draw in his previous WWE run. SD attendance in 2003 was just as bad as 2004. Brock headlined WM 19, that did the worst buys in history. No mercy 2003 did the lowest buys of the entire year and brock was the headlining act. He is #1 in that list coz HHH suffered a groin injury that year and brock had to work all of the house shows. Lesnar left WWE in 2004 and it didnt affect the business one bit. I've said this before, Brock became a tremendous draw as a MMA fighter but never as a wrestling character. Vince Mcmahon wanted him to be the next mega-star, the face of WWE, gave him the biggest push since Goldberg but it never happened.
As of now, even the company doesnt know how big of a draw he really is, only mania 29 buys next year could show his true worth to WWE. We'll have to wait and see if he can outdraw Rock/Cena from WM28.
Nah.. Brock wasnt much of a draw in his previous WWE run. SD attendance in 2003 was just as bad as 2004. Brock headlined WM 19, that did the worst buys in history. No mercy 2003 did the lowest buys of the entire year and brock was the headlining act. He is #1 in that list coz HHH suffered a groin injury that year and brock had to work all of the house shows. Lesnar left WWE in 2004 and it didnt affect the business one bit.
Such BS. Especially the bold part. Armageddon did the lowest buys at 240,000(look it up), which was a Raw PPV headlined by HHH, Goldberg and Kane. Didn't affect business one bit? Heck No Mercy 2004 did almost 100,000 less than No Mercy 2003. SD in 04 was without Brock, Hogan, Rock, Vince, Piper even Benoit. Angle was injured. Big Show took time off. Eddie couldn't do it alone and it showed. SD were doing shows in convention centers at times.
If Punk loses +800 viewers I will tell you myself that he's a rating killer, since that didn't happen I can't see your argument to be true. I said it before if he faces some known stars casual will recognise him and they may like him or they will not. If he faces Taker in WM, make Cena tape out, faces Rocky and Austin I think casual will like him if he was impressive, if he wasn't well its his problem he blowed it.
Let me ask you guys this, do you base your favorite wrestlers on guys who can/can't draw? I mean it seems like some of you that's all you care about, whether the guy draws or not. Some of my favorite Wrestlers like Orton, Punk, ADR are looked at on these forums as anti-draws, and is that a reason to just flat out "Hate" the guys because the Mass audience seems to dislike them?
You're the kind of Punk fan that will make that kind of comment when Punk does a shit rating, but will be all ready to throw a party when he does a great rating.
WHO THE FUCK HAS EVER SAID THAT THEY BASE THEIR FAVORITE STARS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE DRAWS?
This shit seriously needs to fucking stop. Nobody has ever said that yet we get all the morons of the day coming in here and repeating this over and over and over again. Jesus fuck. Comprehension people, comprehension.
I absolutely hate how websites (presuming Wrestling Observer in the first place) dump different quarters together to create a gain/loss and to spin it.
What's the point of that? It's happened twice in this week's quarter hours.
"It's hilarious that CM Punk can't draw flies to shit. When are more people gonna wake up and realize that he's about as entertaining as watching old re-runs of Murder She Wrote?
He plays a bitchy, grouchy angry little man with a Napoleon complex who everyone thinks is cool and hip because he breaks the fourth wall by people by their real names like he does The Rock.
Well...Phil Brooks or whatever the fuck your name is...you couldn't draw a crowd like "Dwayne" (as you like to call him) if your life depended on it. The only people who give a flying fuck about you are the minority. His fans can blame Labor Day, Fourth of July, Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, NFL, MLB, NBA, Pro Bowling, Pro Golf, the rise in popularity of C-Span for the low ratings while the truth is...
Nobody who matters to them gives a flying fuck about CM Punk!"
Posted By: theshape (Guest) on September 05, 2012 at 08:56 PM
So Punk is in the two high hours of the night, and yet gets blamed for the show's rating? I don't even know how that's jokingly conceivable. Next thing you know if the overrun turns out to do really low/lose viewers, people will blame Punk's 2-minute appearance that made people turn the tv off/change the channel.
The hate has become so hilariously petty that I'm not even sure anymore what the difference is between hating CM Punk and attempting to troll CM Punk fans is.
I realy never wanted to be part of these mark wars (Punk is shit, Cena is shit, everyone I hate is shit), but everyone who saw RAW saw Punk in the first 20mins (and hour one was good actually), then he left for the rest of the night (thats what he said) and a surprise comeback at the last 3mins, which wasnt advertised or whatever...Really everyone can have their opinion, but blaming Punk for these numbers isnt correct. Maybe the people lost interest BECAUSE Punk wasnt on the show? Maybe not...Whatever...really sad that the numbers are that low because the show itself was good imo.
Problem is everybody know the matches for NOC and no HHH, no Brock, nothing special, just the ususal "stars" (maybe its because of Lawler missing the show ^^)...so why watch the show after Punk said he want a day off, when Punk/Cena is actually the only interesting thing atm..
If I felt like making a 3 paragraph post I'd use these two post. KO Bossy post a few pages back too.
7 years on wrestling forums and this is still the among one of the dumbest topics on them. Always gets used to back why they dislike a wrestler or to brag about their favorite wrestler. Same shit, different wrestlers and it's Punk's turn apparently since 2011. Some people in this thread I see just do it for tongue in cheek humor which if that's what you got to do to make this silly thread amusing then more power to you. But for those who take it seriously like that AthenaMark dude did Punk fuck your cat or something? If you aren't entertained by him good for you like who you like hate who you hate but don't hide behind ratings. Let alone in a embarrassing illogically way in this specific case.
I realy never wanted to be part of these mark wars (Punk is shit, Cena is shit, everyone I hate is shit), but everyone who saw RAW saw Punk in the first 20mins (and hour one was good actually), then he left for the rest of the night (thats what he said) and a surprise comeback at the last 3mins, which wasnt advertised or whatever...Really everyone can have their opinion, but blaming Punk for these numbers isnt correct. Maybe the people lost interest BECAUSE Punk wasnt on the show? Maybe not...Whatever...really sad that the numbers are that low because the show itself was good imo.
Problem is everybody know the matches for NOC and no HHH, no Brock, nothing special, just the ususal "stars" (maybe its because of Lawler missing the show ^^)...so why watch the show after Punk said he want a day off, when Punk/Cena is actually the only interesting thing atm..
This doesnt make much sense since it was in the same quarter. Atleast in the online reports.
Im guessing the loss was Quarter 7. Which was Swagger/AJ backstage, 2 commercial breaks, Final Anger skit and most of the Ryback/Jinder match.
I then guess that the gain was in Quarter 8. Which was replays of the Ryback/Jinder match, commercial break, and start of the "Hug me" segment.
So from what I seen is that the start of the Hug me segment drew in eyes to begin with, but lost viewers when it started to drag.
I always dislike when they say "This and that gained/lost viewers" when the segment/match didnt even take up most of the quarters.
Sure, if it took up 10 minutes, but when a quarter has 2 commercials breaks and a 3 minute match. The match is not gonna draw just by looking at the quarter and unfair to blame the drop on that specific match.
I don't see what the big deal with this weeks D Bryan/Kane segments is, he and Kane drew in the first segment, got a below average, but still slight ratings increase for their 2nd segment and got a decline for their third, hardly a big deal or a negative ratings average compared to most of the roster, especially if you take into account Bryans recent numbers. The majority probably just thought the hug it out thing would be corny and boring so they tuned out, which isn't necessarily Kanes or Bryans fault either.
NO! YOU CANNOT BRING REASON AND RATIONALLY-CONCEIVED THOUGHTS TO THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!11
DAT PITIFUL INDY MIDGET AND THE OLD HASBEEN RON PAUL SUPPORTER CANNOT DRAWWZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTENT OF THE SEGMENT IS, HOW QUESTIONABLE IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, WHAT VARIABLES DO OR DO NOT EXIST, ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHO WAS IN WHICH QUARTER HOUR AND HOW DID IT DO?!?!?!?!!!!!
Seriously, most of the trends that one can see with certain wrestlers such as the one I was pointing out with Santino Marella, are ones derived from problems that have little to do with the talent that wrestler may or may not possess. Santino is clearly a charismatic and entertaining talent when given something worthwhile and isn't going through the same stale motions that have helped to make him seem so shopworn at this point in time. The problem is almost always a matter of writing and booking.
You know what's great though about Punk vs. Orton? No matter whether the segment gains or losses, mark wars between the groups of fans will ensue.
*If it gains and does well*
"OMG ORTON'S DA DRAWZ!!!"
"NO LOL PUNK WAS ADVERTISED ORTON IS THE RATINGS KILLER!"
"LOL HE DONT LOSE RATINGS IN OVERRUN LIKE PUNK! PPL HERD ORTON WAS IN MATCH AND TUNED IN!"
"PUNK'S BEST IN WORLD ORTON'S A FAKE VIPER!"
"PUNK SUX!"
"ORTON SUX!"
And if the segment doesn't do well:
"OMG PUNK'S A FUCKING RATINGS FAILURE!"
"WTF YOU TALKIN' BOUT? ORTON KILLED SD RATINGS LAST YEAR!"
"PUNK SUX!"
"ORTON SUX!"
This is going to be fun.
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The overrun will probably do better than it would have with the Lawler stuff happening and people tuning in hoping Lawler's okay. Add that with Hart/Cena and then eventually Hart/Cena/Punk, it should be a great overrun number.
A18-49 viewership:
08:00P-09:00P: 1.549 million viewers
09:00P-10:00P: 1.851 million viewers
10:00P-11:15P: 1.984 million viewers
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