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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#4,470 ·
Your signature is so amusing and ridiculously stupid, they're not killing the business kid. Cena is killing the business obviously because he turned this business to what it is right now. Funny that you only like big guys despise how boring some of them are.

Even though I wish this AJ thing stops, this is turning to be a love twilight movie which I really hate. I just feel sorry for Punk, I never saw him acting this way, WWE f**k you for ruining him. I don't know what to expect in the future, I bet it will be another love story starring Eve, Khali and Hornswaggle. Even if the ratings were good it doesnt change the fact of how boring the show is.
 
#4,532 · (Edited)
Yup on both statements. I am not one who bashed the Punk/Bryan/AJ sotryline as I actually do like it, but just thought that opening segment was just to long this past monday. But eventhough I personally liked it never thouht it would do this well from a veiwers standpoint.
 
#4,569 ·
So they pulled the desperate wedding card to carry this horrendous storyline. Not surprising, this concept is like the Rumble, always a proven draw no matter who is involved. They attracted teenage boys for a few minutes, other than that, normal overall. Good to see that they lost viewers the moment they passed the 15 minutes mark for their atrocious opening segment(worst of all time material, not only wrestling). Test/Stephanie, HHH/Stephanie, Kane/Lita, Billy/Chuck(...), Edge/Lita etc all did good numbers, of course much bigger growth because everyone of these people is a bigger draw than all the current 3 combined. Sad that they're so desperate, they're trying to rely on a BRUTAL NXT actress.

All the biggest full time TV draws were in the tag match so that was a rare case of something like that doing below average.
 
#4,573 ·
Good to see that they lost viewers the moment they passed the 15 minutes mark for their atrocious opening segment(worst of all time material, not only wrestling)
A comment like that shows you don't understand the ratings breakdown.

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/raw/5...ad-discuss-ratings-here-181.html#post11725747

The Q1 rating covers the entire period from 21:00 to 21:15 on Monday night.
The Q2 rating covers the entire period from 21:15 to 21:30 on Monday night. It also covers 5 minutes of commercials and Sheamus vs Jack Swagger.

Q1 had an average of 4.60 million. Between 21:00 and 21:14 (the last minute of said quarter) the viewership would have probably grown from about 4.3 million to 4.9 million. Give or take.

Q2 had an average of 4.53 million. As 21:14 had 4.9 million, it means 21:15 had a similar number, and probably grew further to 5.0 million by 21:19. When the commercials come along, the number drops significantly, with not much of a gain for Sheamus vs Jack Swagger (a glorified squash) or anything that followed it in that particular quarter. Leading to an overall average for that quarter, again, of 4.53 million.

It does not just turn 21:15 on your clock and 70,000 viewers tuned off 'just like that'. It does not work that way.
 
#4,579 ·
So...

Lesnar draws in the adult males.

AJ draws in the teenage males.

Triple H draws in everybody.

John Cena has ceased to draw anybody, the well has run dry.

The Rock loses viewers.

CM Punk can't draw.

Jerry Lawler finally lost his drawing powers.

Michael Cole is now an anti-draw.

Stephanie draws like nobody in this great business of ours and is a TV ratings machine--they should air a four-hour Steph Special on Super Bowl Sunday against the Super Bowl on USA Network with her starring in a WWE-produced USA Network TV miniseries called Loathsome Love where she lives on the prairie in the early 1880s and Triple H plays her cattle baron husband and Kane plays a masked man from Triple H's past (revealed in the final minutes in a Sergio Leone-inspired flashback sequence set to bone-chilling harmonica that Trips violated Kane's deceased adolescent sweetheart on Boot Hill), ends with Steph slapping Trips and Kane shooting Triple H to pieces and riding off with Stephanie into the sunset--and they'd beat the Super Bowl in the ratings BY GAWD.
 
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#4,832 ·
Its true. Those guys were the chief draws back then and they are the chief draws today. Say what you want about John Cena, CM Punk and the rest of the roster, they can't draw over a 3.4 by themselves these days.
 
#4,878 ·
https://twitter.com/TedOnTV/status/227884812403367936

Looking at just "regular" 9-11 portion most watched since May 2002 (excl comm free eps) at 6.3M viewers. Best 18-49 since December '07 (3.1M)
Looking at Raw's ratings in May 2002, it seems it is the most watched since the May 6th, 2002 episode, which coincidentally was the first Raw under the WWE name.

For old time sakes, this is what happened on that show: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/results/raw/020506.html

KICKOFF: Announcement of "Get the F Out" Campaign
WWE WOMENS TITLE: Jazz w/Steven Richards defeats Trish Stratus
WWE HARDCORE TITLE madness
BACKSTAGE: The nWo
IN THE RING: The new World order + Ric Flair
EUROPEAN TITLE: Spike Dudley vs William Regal
BACKSTAGE: Ric Flair & Arn Anderson
EARLIER TODAY: Booker T
BACKSTAGE: Ric Flair
BACKSTAGE: Undertaker + nWo
MATCH: Brock Lesnar w/Paul Heyman defeats Shawn Stasiak
BACKSTAGE: The Undertaker

IN THE RING: Hulk Hogan + The Undertaker
TAG MATCH: Rob Van Dam & Jeff Hardy defeats Eddie Guerrero & Booker T
INTERVIEW: The Coach & Terri
BACKSTAGE: Ric Flair & Arn Anderson
SWIMSUIT CHALLENGE: Terri & Molly Holly
BACKSTAGE: Ric Flair + Jacky
BACKSTAGE: Ric Flair + Debra + Bradshaw
BACKSTAGE: Undertaker
MAIN EVENT: XPac / Scott Hall / Big Show vs Bradshaw / Steve Austin / Ric Flair - no contest
 
#4,951 · (Edited)
Excellent breakdown. The fact after that Miz/Christian drop they only kept gaining and gaining and gaining was great.

Highest-Lowest segments by my calculations (DMN can do his stuff and/or put them in order when he makes his post):

1) Punk vs. Cena w/ Show and Rock run-ins+Punk heel turn (6,930,000)
2) Rock/Punk/Bryan Segment (6,694,000)
3) Undertaker's return helping Kane beat down jobbers (6,541,000)
4) Heath Slater vs. Lita and Legends (6,248,000)
5) HHH/Lesnar fight (6,223,000)
6) Heyman/Stephanie/HHH segment (6,133,000)
7) Bryan/AJ Wedding (6,119,000)
8) Christian vs. Miz (5,799,000)
9) Damien Sandow/DX (5,572,000)
10) DX (5,545,000)
11) Clay/Swagger and other shit (5,503,000)
12) 6-man tag (5,177,000)

Over 6-million people saw THE ONE MAND BAAAAAAAAAAND do his thang.
 
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#4,986 ·
Such negativity.

The only thing that matters when you look at if the "new" viewers come back is the Punk/Rock/Cena angle and whether or not it draws. WWE needs to have Punk come out at the beginning of the show and let him rip. They should also replay it at the beginning of the second hour for those who forget about the 7pm start time. Either way, he needs to have something special up his sleeve in terms of a career defining promo.

You can't just turn heel on the Rock and Cena, on the biggest RAW of quite possibly the past 10 or so years, and not follow it up with something special.

Punk wants his moment, and this is it.
 
#4,987 ·
Such negativity.

The only thing that matters when you look at if the "new" viewers come back is the Punk/Rock/Cena angle and whether or not it draws. WWE needs to have Punk come out at the beginning of the show and let him rip. They should also replay it at the beginning of the second hour for those who forget about the 7pm start time.
They shouldn't be giving people reasons for tuning in late. Right now, WWE is basically telling people "Go ahead and miss the first half of the show, we'll replay the important parts that happened, in the 2nd hour"

Or for all we know, starting next week, for the first half of the show, it's one thing,then we get another show intro to start off the 2nd half of the show(and it's basically "Raw Zone" for 2nd half of show), and the 2nd half starts off with a recap of the 1st half.

Something like that would be cool too. Didn't WWE used to do that in the 90s when they first went to 2 hours?
 
#4,995 ·
20:00 to 20:06 - Fire and Raw 1000 recap
20:06 to 20:19 - Opening Segment
=> commercial [3 minutes]
20:22 to 20:23 - Touts
20:23 to 20:26 - Santino vs Del Rio
=> commercial [4 minutes]
20:30 to 20:35 - Santino vs Del Rio
=> commercial [4 minutes]
20:39 to 20:43 - Clay, Vickie and Sandow segment
20:43 to 20:45 - Ziggler and Jericho recap
=> commercial [3 minutes]
20:48 to 20:50 - Bryan and AJ segment
20:50 to 20:54 - Lesnar and HHH recap
20:54 to 20:56 - Voting for Sheamus vs Bryan; Sheamus interview
=> commercial [3 minutes]
20:59 to 21:07 - Sheamus vs Bryan
=> commercial [3 minutes]
21:10 to 21:18 - Sheamus vs Bryan
21:18 to 21:20 - Opening Segment recap
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:24 to 21:26 - Opening Segment recap
21:26 to 21:30 - Bryan, Kingston and Truth segment
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:34 to 21:36 - Touts
21:36 to 21:41 - Kingston and Truth vs Primetime Players
21:41 to 21:42 - Punk and Cena backstage
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:46 to 21:46 - Punk and Cena backstage recap
21:47 to 21:52 - Slater vs Orton
21:53 to 21:55 - Bryan and a Doctor
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:59 to 22:07 - Y2J and Christian vs Miz and Ziggler
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:10 to 22:19 - Y2J and Christian vs Miz and Ziggler
22:19 to 22:20 - Bryan and a Doctor
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:23 to 22:25 - Touts
22:25 to 22:30 - Tensai vs Kidd
22:30 to 22:31 - Bryan and a Doctor
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:34 to 22:39 - Lesnar and HHH recap
22:39 to 22:40 - CM Punk entrance
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:43 to 22:51 - Cena vs Show
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:54 to 23:06 - Cena vs Show
 
#4,999 ·
20:00 to 20:06 - Fire and Raw 1000 recap
20:06 to 20:19 - Opening Segment
=> commercial [3 minutes]
20:22 to 20:23 - Touts

20:23 to 20:26 - Santino vs Del Rio
=> commercial [4 minutes]
20:30 to 20:35 - Santino vs Del Rio
=> commercial [4 minutes]
20:39 to 20:43 - Clay, Vickie and
Sandow segment
20:43 to 20:45 - Ziggler and Jericho recap
=> commercial [3 minutes]
20:48 to 20:50 - Bryan and AJ segment
20:50 to 20:54 - Lesnar and HHH recap
20:54 to 20:56 - Voting for Sheamus vs Bryan; Sheamus interview
=> commercial [3 minutes]
20:59 to 21:07 - Sheamus vs Bryan
=> commercial [3 minutes]
21:10 to 21:18 - Sheamus vs Bryan
21:18 to 21:20 - Opening Segment recap
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:24 to 21:26 - Opening Segment recap

21:26 to 21:30 - Bryan, Kingston and Truth segment
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:34 to 21:36 - Touts

21:36 to 21:41 - Kingston and Truth vs Primetime Players
21:41 to 21:42 - Punk and Cena backstage
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:46 to 21:46 - Punk and Cena backstage recap

21:47 to 21:52 - Slater vs Orton
21:53 to 21:55 - Bryan and a Doctor
=> commercial [4 minutes]
21:59 to 22:07 - Y2J and Christian vs Miz and Ziggler
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:10 to 22:19 - Y2J and Christian vs Miz and Ziggler
22:19 to 22:20 - Bryan and a Doctor
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:23 to 22:25 - Touts
22:25 to 22:30 - Tensai vs Kidd

22:30 to 22:31 - Bryan and a Doctor
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:34 to 22:39 - Lesnar and HHH recap

22:39 to 22:40 - CM Punk entrance
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:43 to 22:51 - Cena vs Show
=> commercial [3 minutes]
22:54 to 23:06 - Cena vs Show
Those are probably big points of show where people tuned out
 
#5,023 ·
Huge drop as expected but I actually saw them above 5 million. They made a mistake that the entire angle was Punk, he can attack Rock, Austin and Hogan in a triple GTS, it doesn't matter. The general audience don't see him as an attraction and it's never going to happen. They needed to do the Lesnar/HHH segment in the overrun last week with Brock attacking HBK, then this week, promoting HHH's response to what Brock did last week.

They gave away a full Big Show/Cena match this week which is the biggest match they can book from the current roster besides Orton/Cena, Show and Cena are the biggest TV draws in the company and this match probably did big. Other than that, Lesnar/HBK/HHH needs to close the program next week. They had almost 7 million potential viewers. An audience that is not going to come back at least until January 2013 if they're able to do the same hype for the 20 years RAW show. Now it's gone in a week, 3.1 is just the foreplay before the comedy against MNF.

We need to hope for catastrophically low numbers so they can go back to 2 hours before 2013.
 
#5,074 ·
They gave away a full Big Show/Cena match this week which is the biggest match they can book from the current roster besides Orton/Cena, Show and Cena are the biggest TV draws in the company and this match probably did big.
John Cena vs. Big Show for the SummerSlam title shot with C.M. Punk involved gained 1,181,000 viewers to a 3.86 overrun. That was the best gaining segment in a while.
As expected. Show and Cena are the two biggest TV draws so it's not surprising. Other than that, the Sheamus/Bryan match was in 9pm, which means all the viewers who forgot about RAW in 8pm. You're going to see this pattern now until you got almost the same audience in 8pm and 11pm. For TNA, it took almost 2 months until Impact had the same viewership for the entire show. Orton/Slater did good on random spot.
 
#5,027 · (Edited)
Big Dave on that Foley/Schiavone January 1999 accident we talked about a few months ago. The one that Vince is still obsessed.

While the big switch of audiences to see Foley win the title is much remembered, what is forgotten is that after Foley won the title, a Goldberg run-in on Nitro and Austin run-in on Raw were going on at the same time for the overrun. Goldberg saw Nitro bring its audience back, going from a 4.6 to a 6.5, taking many of those viewers back from Raw which went from a 5.9 to a 5.1. The growth of the final segment of Nitro, many returning after Foley had won the title, was an incredible 2.1 million viewers, among the biggest growth periods in history. Between the two shows on that night during the overrun, there were 8,642,000 homes and 13,827,000 different viewers watching wrestling. And keep in mind two other factors. There were only 74.5 million homes with cable on that night, compared with more than 99 million today. And going head-tohead with wrestling that night was the Fiesta Bowl game that determined college football’s national championship, which had nearly 30 million viewers.
Amazing numbers, especially with the factors of availability compared to today Meltzer mentioned.

Goldberg/nWo doing that 2 million viewers gain lol.

Nitro, Hollywood Hogan vs Kevin Nash WCW title with Goldberg:


VS

RAW, The Rock vs Mankind WWF title with Austin:
 
#5,049 · (Edited)
Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan at the top of the hour gained 521,000 viewers which sounds good but it’s still a deal where so many people tuned in at 9 p.m. out of habit that you can’t really figure out if they were tuning in because they liked what was on the air or it was simply the time they tuned in.

The stuff with R-Truth, Kofi Kingston, Bryan and A.J. taking Bryan out of the ring for a psychiatric evaluation gained 274,000 viewers. That’s good for the time slot.
Dat D Bryan.


What did the opening segment drew?
 
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