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Old 02-01-2012, 07:33 AM   #921 (permalink)
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Does anyone know when the quarter ratings are released? Like will they be today?
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:59 AM   #922 (permalink)
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The rating and viewership numbers include over-run. Viewership numbers for Hour 2 will include the over-run as does the Hour 2 rating.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:13 AM   #923 (permalink)
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RAW after the Rumble since 2007: () is the increase or decline from the week before.

1. 2007 - 4.17 rating (+3.2%), 5.45 million viewers (-3.1%)
2. 2008 - 3.87 rating (+9.4%), 5.71 million viewers (+16.7%)
3. 2010 - 3.63 rating (+1.1%), 5.29 million viewers (+2.9%)
4. 2009 - 3.60 rating (-6.9%), 5.17 million viewers (-9.9%)
5. 2012 - 3.55 rating (+11.6%), 5.22 million viewers (+13.1%)
6. 2011 - 3.48 rating (+5.8%), 5.28 million viewers (+7.8%)

2009 was down because of the big Vince/Orton segment from the week before which got a huge overrun number if I remember correctly.
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Nice List

But this said it all

Q:
Are Household ratings irrelevant form of measurement when looking at ratings? No one seems to mention them anymore


A [Ted Linhart (SVP of Research at USA Network)]:

Good Q. Yes HH started being irrelevant in 90s.
Total viewers for bragging rights & 18-49 (rating or viewers)for revenue generation are it

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+The number of households a Show needs, for 1 rating point, changes every TV/Nielsen-Season.

HH-numbers for USA Network since the 07/08 season

Season - Households(000)
07/08 - 96442
08/09 - 98438
09/10 - 99174
10/11 - 100172
11/12 - 100480

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Interesting quote from the Observer for the "RATINGS ARE NOT IMPORTANT!" people:

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There was no talk whatsoever about “Tough Enough,” which given they were talking about U.S. television
future, would indicate USA Network has decided to pass on doing a second season. However, McMahon
announced there is a plan in place to add a third live hour on Monday nights, starting at 8 p.m., that would
essentially be a Raw pre-game show. No date was given for the start, nor much in the way of details of
what the show would entail.

For the same reason, “Tough Enough” was a risk because even though the ratings were far stronger than
Ultimate Fighter going on at the same time, that wasn’t good enough for the USA Network, the No. 1 cable
network in prime time.

Any first-run show airing in prime time on the USA Network that has to do with pro wrestling, because pro
wrestling shows draw far lower ad revenues than the network dramas, can’t be a drain on the company’s
prime time average,
which means anything below a 2.4 or a 2.5 rating is not going to last.

NCIS reruns usually do in the 2.7 range in that hour. When WWE does a three hour Raw, the first hour
usually does about the same 2.6 or 2.7. So they would have to maintain that level, and most likely there
will be no wrestling in that first hour but simply a build for Raw. In addition, those 2.6 or 2.7's usually came
with a big match in the first hour. They’d have to maintain a number like that weekly or the show would be
in danger. “Tough Enough” was well received, but in the end, it drew well below USA Network’s prime time
average.

Doing a show like that also indicates a lack of paying attention or ignoring of history at worst, or at best,
pretending previous history of the industry doesn’t apply to them. Nitro did the same thing in the late 90s
when it expanded to three hours and those in the company felt that was the kiss of death. And WCW had
far more talent depth at the time.
Every year ratings is going down more, this year with the most "2.0s" since 97, And WWE today without USA will never do above 3.0, maybe just for March.
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That is rather interesting actually. I guess all those reports about them panicking over 2.7's had something behind them after all lol. But if TE wasn't getting a 2.6/2.7 I don't know what makes them think that putting a pre-game type of show in it's place is going to do any better. 3 hour Raw's only work best when there's an actual reason for having them. If people aren't tuning in for Raw as a show on it's own, they're hardly going to tune in for a pre-game show on it beforehand.
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It is intersting, but what I don't get is if the fact is that Pro wrestling shows draws less advertising revenue than network dramas, then why does USA want to put on 3-hrs of pro wrestling every monday night? That just makes no sense from a business standpoint, if true. Specially since a "pre-game" show for Raw is likely to draw less ratings than TE did.

Not sure how much "faith" I really have in this Observer report, the report would carry alot more wait if it was coming directly from USA or NBC Universal for me. To me it jsut seems the Observer trying to add validity to their own report of the WWE panicking over ratings.
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Meltzer said that Vince wants to add another hour which would be stupid decision anyway, but can't do it unless he draw above average numbers for USA. And we all know that other than January-March, he's struggling to do above 3.0 for RAW so it's not going to happen. The point is the RAW average and the importance of the ratings to the company, without the TV deal, they're out of business.

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To me it jsut seems the Observer trying to add validity to their own report of the WWE panicking over ratings.
It's not, you can see that with the Cena/Del Rio title change right after a 2.7, Meltzer said before the NOC PPV that Del Rio is probably going to lose because Vince was in panic mode after RAW.

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I definitely agree that without their current TV deal the company would be in major trouble (which is another reason I think they are going to do everything possible to make WWE network a sucess, just so they have a back-up for their current TV set-up in the unlikely event something would go wrong with it)

I don't think their current TV deal with NBC Universal is in that much trouble to be honest though, pretty sure it just got extended again either last year or the year before. I guess whats confusing to me is the most the reports I've seen or read said that USA wanted more 3-hour Raws and Vince didn't want to produce that much programming, but like any "dirtsheet" those reports could be false as well.
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As noted before, the January 30th RAW Supershow did a 3.55 cable rating and 5.21 million viewers. This was the most-watched RAW since May 23rd, 2011.

In the segment breakdown, the opener did a 3.90 quarter-rating. Randy Orton vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 580,000 viewers while Tyler Reks vs. Brodus Clay lost 166,000 viewers. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan gained 219,000 viewers to a 3.54 quarter-rating - which is actually a weak gain for that time slot.

The Miz vs. Kofi Kingston lost 231,000 viewers while The Rock's video lost 329,000. Eve Torres vs. Beth Phoenix and the Kane vs. John Cena brawl gained 325,000 viewers. The segment with Triple H, John Laurinaitis and The Undertaker gained 753,000 viewers.


Source - Wrestling Observer

I find it to be refreshing that a Wrestling Match actually gained viewers for once. The whole "this is actually weak" for this segment is irrelevant to me when it's a 3.54
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