[JTB33b]

It's time to put an end to the PG era. Cena and others say going PG is what is best for the company.. well if that's the case why are the ratings so poor? If they want to convince us it's for the best then they should show us some stats to prove it.

[wb1899]

Originally Posted by Walk-In

How low do ratings have to go before WWE have to worry about USA pulling the plug? I mean, they pay WWE because they get good ratings. When USA can get the same ratings from NCIS re-runs, WWE should start to worry, or I would assume. They just planning on not being able to re-work their next contract, or what?

No need to worry. The 1.260 million viewers, on 12/24 in the 18-49 demo, are still about 350,000-420,000 more viewers than a rerun from NCIS or something else gets and even new USA original episodes get only numbers in the 989,000-1,48 million range.

Raw A18-49 averages (01/02/12-12/24/12):
8PM: 1,757,000 viewers
9PM: 2,076,000 viewers
10PM: 2,101,000 viewers
Btw, hour 3 is still the most valuable hour for USA and WWE.

[roadkill_]

Originally Posted by wb1899

No need to worry. The 1.260 million viewers, on 12/24 in the 18-49 demo, are still about 350,000-420,000 more viewers than a rerun from NCIS or something else gets and even new USA original episodes get only numbers in the 989,000-1,48 million range.

Raw A18-49 averages (01/02/12-12/24/12):
8PM: 1,757,000 viewers
9PM: 2,076,000 viewers
10PM: 2,101,000 viewers
Btw, hour 3 is still the most valuable hour for USA and WWE.

USAN can buy something for half the price of RAW that'll pull 2.0's.

[Da Silva]

Originally Posted by roadkill_

USAN can buy something for half the price of RAW that'll pull 2.0's.

So fucking what?

Advertising space isn't sold on overall ratings, it's sold on demographics.

[Stad]

Originally Posted by KO Bossy

Please indicate where I said that, because I didn't. I refuted your claim that Punk drives away viewers because he doesn't. He fails to bring them in, but he doesn't drive them away.

Nowhere did I say that the WWE Champion has nothing to do with poor ratings. Punk, just like everyone else on the roster, must take a share of the blame. What is flat out wrong is when people such as yourself preach that its all because of Punk being champion that the ratings are shit (when in all actuality, its everybody who is to blame).

As you yourself said, "people will avoid tuning in if they think CM Punk will play a focal point of the show. A reasonable assumption, given that he is champion. So it doesn't matter if he was on it for five minutes, for all the fans driven away knew, it could've easily have been 50 minutes." That is ignorant and flat out incorrect-people do not look at the show and say "wow Punk is champion, I'm not going to watch because he MIGHT be featured." People look at the show and say "wow, everything is such complete crap and a waste of my time, the stories are stupid, the feuds are dumb, the booking is horrific and nothing ever progresses in a satisfying manner-I'm not going to watch."

You're just another sad hater who has no qualms about making up stuff, presenting opinions as facts or taking things out of context to put a spin on things that will push your anti-Punk agenda and opinion. Thankfully there are some people on this site who can see through this type of bullshit and point it out to others who actually might start buying into what you say.

What an excellent post.

roadkill didn't even bother replying back

[#1Peep4ever]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

It's actually the other way around.

*Punk's segment gets low rating*
"IT WASN'T THE MAIN EVENT!"
"HE'S TREATED LIKE A COWARD HEEL THATZ WHY HE CANT DRAW!"
"WRESTLING INTEREST IS DEAD!"
"ITS FANS FAULT THEY DIDNT WATCH!"
"BUT ALBERTO DEL RIO AND SANTINO LOST MORE VIEWERS!"

Cena has lost his drawing abilities in the recent months, it's no secret. But fact still remains that Punk is horrible for ratings and has been from the moment they started pushing him. (even though I found him entertaining back in the 2011 summer)

Both sides find excuses and people to blame
Thats why I cant really take this thread seriously... bunch of hypocrites (apart from a view) having a shitty argument in which no one can win because both are to close minded...

[Defei]

Originally Posted by Marv95

A 2.2 is still a 2.2. They did a point higher in 2001 after the botched InVasion angle and when the downfall was taking place as people were tuning out. Even in arguably the worst year since 95 they did a half-point higher in 2007 for a tribute show. Again you people always put the blame on outside factors instead of where it belongs.

I agree 2.2 is terrible but 18-49 viewership is what really matters.

[Starbuck]

Raw is struggling to get people to watch on any regular Monday night. The show bombs on Christmas Eve and apparently it's the end of the world. Yeah. Don't really see what all the fuss is about. They took a hit. Next week they'll take a hit too. It's to be expected considering the nights the show falls upon at this time of year. For once, I don't think Vince and Co. give a shit about the numbers. If things don't pick up on Jan 7th, a show they have actually stacked with the title match and Rock, then I'd start to worry. For now however, this week and next week's rating aren't even news tbh.

[I-Am-DashingRKO]

We had a 2.5 earlier and now we are down to a 2.2, even if it was a christmas eve edition, I personally thought it would draw a 2.6 rating.

Changes have to be made. WWE and Vince have no sense of direction where the product should be. Even when the Rock does return, we can't keep relying on legends to bring in those ratings.

[RatedR10]

Originally Posted by I-Am-DashingRKO

We had a 2.5 earlier and now we are down to a 2.2, even if it was a christmas eve edition, I personally thought it would draw a 2.6 rating.

Changes have to be made. WWE and Vince have no sense of direction where the product should be. Even when the Rock does return, we can't keep relying on legends to bring in those ratings.

You thought the Christmas Eve edition of Raw would get a 2.6? That's setting expectations a bit too high, IMO. It's Christmas Eve, people are with their families. I'm actually surprised it got a 2.2 because I thought more people would DVR it if they wanted to watch it.

It's the same reason I'm not expecting a huge rating for New Years Eve. It's taped and I doubt many people will be in to watch it all the way through.

Like Starbuck said, if on January 7th, the ratings are still shit with a TLC WWE Championship match lined up and The Rock returning for the first time since Raw 1000, then you start to worry.