[SinJackal]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

No doubt there's no full-time draws left anymore (not even Cena) but saying Punk is NOT a factor in them going down when he has the spotlight for a large portion of the show is just being in denial. He may not drive away viewers single handedly but he doesn't help anything whatsoever. It's the overall viewership that matters, not who gains from the already present fans. Obviously Punk is going to gain viewers weekly since he actually gets character/story development in reliable spots with legends that make one-off appearances while Alberto del Rio vs Zack Ryder Part 315081835 will lose viewers because it's a pointless squash match with two lengthy commercial breaks surrounding it.

Solid post.

The way a lot of people are defending Punk's numbers are the kinds of arguments you use to defend a midcard wrestler's impact on the ratings, NOT a 400+ day reigning WWE champion who's getting tons of mic time, and a very large portion of the total story development each week.

This is why Punk needs to be blamed most. It's a fact that's going over a lot of people's heads for some reason. It doesn't matter if his segments don't lose viewers (or many viewers) or even gain a bit after the previous segment tanked in viewership. His segments aren't interesting enough for peple to stick around in anticipation of something exciting happening that they don't want to miss. That's the job of people who are getting most of the air time and significant story development.

Mid-carder ratings logic can only take the argument so far before you just start thinking about how he's just barely keeping his own segments above the falling ratings for the rest of the show. How can you possibly look at that and actually defend it as a good thing? Compared to the first half of the year (rather than the rest of the show each night), Punk's segments are also getting shitty ratings.

[ChickMagnet12]

Ratings go up - Talk about how Punk can't draw.
Ratings go down - Argue about how Punk can't draw.

Can we rename this the "Punk draw thread" and make a new ratings thread for people to actually view the ratings without having to scroll through pages of the same repeated argument/troll?

[hardysno1fan]

I'm not liking this heel Punk. I dunno its so generic and boring. There's no maliciousness in this Punk.

[YamchaRocks]

Originally Posted by ChickMagnet12

Can we rename this the "Punk draw thread" and make a new ratings thread for people to actually view the ratings without having to scroll through pages of the same repeated argument/troll?

There's nothing strange that people talk mostly about Punk in this thread, since he's the focal point of the show for about 6 months and if anyone is to blame for low ratings, it's him.

[Dopesick]

Originally Posted by YamchaRocks

There's nothing strange that people talk mostly about Punk in this thread, since he's the focal point of the show for about 6 months and if anyone is to blame for low ratings, it's him.

It's Vince McMahon who is at fault.

Not sure why people are failing to realise this yet.

[YamchaRocks]

Maybe you're right. It is Vince McMahon who build the company around somebody who makes casuals fall asleep, so yeah, you can say it's Vince's fault.

[Dopesick]

It really was a bad idea going in this thread, what a stupid fool.

[YamchaRocks]

If you're getting butthurt because of simple J O K E, then yes, it was a mistake by you.

[D.M.N.]

Instead of changing thread names, how about we close this thread and start **The Official 2013 Raw Ratings Thread**? 9,000 posts, 360 pages later I think we need a new pair of boots. Not sure about anyone else but sometimes the last few pages takes a lot of time to load...

I'm pretty certain the last two Raw's of 2012 will bring DUD ratings with it being holiday editions, so makes sense to start the 2013 version.

[Dopesick]

Originally Posted by YamchaRocks

If you're getting butthurt because of simple J O K E, then yes, it was a mistake by you.

Pretty impossible to tell to be honest.