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post #8901 of 9175 (permalink) Old 12-19-2012, 07:13 PM
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Slammy awards last year had the lowest rating of all 3 hour specials.

WWE Allstars - 3.1
Power To The People - 3.1
Rocky 3 hour special - 3.3
Slammy Awards - 2.8
Okay, interesting. But that's why I don't even think ratings reflect anything. They are unpredictable and inconsistent. I don't think it really matters which big names were there or not since it was all unexpected.

That said, I'm glad SD got a good rating. I think if they just made Smackdown Live and on USA from now on more people would watch it. Not as many people watch SyFy, and a lot of fans probably just search for the SD results if they miss it. Especially since you can get the spoilers before Friday when it airs.

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post #8902 of 9175 (permalink) Old 12-19-2012, 09:07 PM
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Hey, sorry man, I just now saw this post or I would have replied sooner.

Your rock star phrasing is very apt. I want wrestlers to be envied for their lives, like they're big stars & celebrities that people can sort of admire from afar. That kids look up to. No one wants to run into Superman at a grocery store. If these are just normal, everyday guys, just like the common person in the audience, why am I going to pay to watch them?
Dagnabbit, now I'm a couple of pages behind all of a sudden! Gotta be more on the ball, methinks.

I can't dispute too much of what you said about keeping the world of wrestling in world of its own, even if that enviable lifestyle you mention can be found in all works of media. Keep in mind that there are wrestlers trying their darndest to keep things in the realm of kayfabe. That’s something I hope management drill into all their performers backstage. Twitter is a double-edged sword on many fronts but could be largely beneficial on many fronts if done right.

However, even though I talk about something being 'done right' I think its interesting how many of us really stick by our own knowledge and experience of interpreting this profession. That's why I extracted that quote, because all this talk of rock stars, sticking by kayfabe and other hypotheticals only really attributes to what we're raised on and, ultimately, what drew us in all those years ago. Nowadays, many people have their cake with guys like Cena and Punk, while others long for the days of super-duper megastars.

Many moons ago, a lot of people discussed the notion of not enough blue-collared everyday guys being used as stars while these unrelatable monumental stars hogged the airways. We knew we couldn't be like them or obtain their status so why do we watch them? Okay, perhaps that last bit about not watching them was stepping over the line. People love over-the-top characters that could seemingly move the planets if he/she desired so. Don’t think there’s just money to be made in this type of star in this day and age, though.

A lot of fans nowadays absolutely love the idea of this normalized superstar they can chat to, have a beer with and then get to see in action and say “fuck, I know that guy!” Things won’t stay the same forever as this crowd grows up and moves on, but much of this generation adores the idea of ‘attainable stardom.’ Actually, a huge part of today’s pop culture scene is based on that idea. Stardom no longer needs to be something commoners can only view from afar, and that too has its benefits in wrestling.
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Reality TV has made superstars of normal people and humanized the superstars. No surprise the world has done the same to wrestling. Nothing is off-limits anymore, and no stone is uncovered.
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^^^It doesn't mean that kayfabe's necessarily dead though. Like it's always been, all it is simply keeping with the character presented. Guys like Ambrose and Sandow haven't/didn't stray too far from their personas. Just keep the most important stuff close to your chest people and don't compromise what the script had you do.
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^^^It doesn't mean that kayfabe's necessarily dead though. Like it's always been, all it is simply keeping with the character presented. Guys like Ambrose and Sandow haven't/didn't stray too far from their personas. Just keep the most important stuff close to your chest people and don't compromise what the script had you do.
Did you watch the Tribute To The Troops show tonight? If you did you would have seen at the end where the heels and faces were on the stage at the same time applauding and being cordial to the Troops. Guys who were just wrestling in the ring were on the stage with no animosity whatsoever.


Now, I won't say kayfabe is dead, because it can't die. Its just evolving. WWE is slowing becoming an off-broadway play. In fact that is what it seemed like to me this evening. That type of thing would have been a huge no-no in the 80s, and merely frowned upon in the early to mid 90s (the MSG incident w/ the Clique for instance). Nobody will be punished for what happened tonight though, because I'm almost certain it was McMahon's idea.



Wrestlers are becoming actors in a theatric show. The days of wrestling as this incredibly insular business is gone. Now guys almost have to break walls and push the envelope to keep people interested. Twitter and other social media is being used to both push story-lines AND put people in contact with the performer on a real human level. Its still fairly uncertain what a wrestler tweets or says (assuming he's still active) is legit or a work. That's how kayfabe is working now. The barriers between heel & face, performer & crowd, have shrunken a bit but they still exist because it has to in order for the business to function.
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Cena/Dolph/AJ deal was the draw obviously. Over the last three months everytime Punk was part of the PPV main event retaining the title, the next night viewership/rating fell to alarming levels. This is the first time it has had a significant increase.



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Damn, that seems a pretty good number for Smackdown, even if it was advertised and was live.

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Cena/Dolph/AJ deal was the draw obviously. Over the last three months everytime Punk was part of the PPV main event retaining the title, the next night viewership/rating fell to alarming levels. This is the first time it has had a significant increase.
Fallout from Hell in a Cell got a 2.95, up from 2.48 the previous week. Ironically enough the one main event that didn't involve Cena this year (besides RR). So yeah... no.

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Except the 2.48 terrible rating that week was due to heavy competition, they were up against Presidential debate which drew 20 million viewers, Bears vs. Lions did 11+ million and Giants/Cardinal MLB playoff drew over 8 million. The next week increase was going to happen regardless of any top star/angle.

RAW rating following Survivor Series PPV dropped despite being the night after PPV where Punk retained the title. That alone proves my point.


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Ric Flairs appearance brought the ratings of Male teens from a 3.0 to 3.4, Men 18-49 from 2.2 to 2.7, Girl teens from 1.0 to 1.0 and Women 18-49 from 1.0 to 1.1, and overall viewership from 4,096,000 to 4,701,000.

Segment-by-segment:
Kaitlyn vs. Eve Torres plus New Age Outlaws return gained 130,000 viewers.
Kofi Kingston vs. Tensai and the Kiss Award lost 28,000 viewers.
Great Khali vs. David Otunga lost 328,000 viewers.
The Ric Flair angle with John Cena, C.M. Punk and Paul Heyman gained 605,000 viewers.
The end of the brawl with Flair, Daniel Bryan, Kane and Ryback and The Shield plus Brodus Clay vs. JTG lost 588,000 viewers.
The LOL award with Santino Marella and Tensai doing comedy and Sin Cara vs. Cody Rhodes gained 147,000 viewers.
The trending award and Sheamus and Big Show angle which included Ziggler trying to cash in the briefcase and Cena stopping him gained 122,000 viewers.
Heath Slater & Jinder Mahal & Drew McIntyre vs. Tommy Dreamer & Alberto Del Rio & The Miz lost 502,000 viewers.
Ryback vs. Antonio Cesaro and the Match of the Year award featuring HHH’s return gained 113,000 viewers.
John Cena & Vickie Guerrero vs. Dolph Ziggler & A.J. Lee gained 510,000 viewers.
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