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Old 12-12-2012, 11:10 AM   #8711 (permalink)
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the show was terrible imo. ratings are up becuz big show vs cena is a big draw for casuals i guess.
The last hour was still the lowest rated.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:22 AM   #8712 (permalink)
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We can also expect to see more wrestling-heavy WWE programming.
Wrestling matches = low ratings

we need more skits, more promos, more storylines and LESS in ring wrestling
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:30 PM   #8713 (permalink)
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Of course the ratings went up, when one of your guys gets hurt and it becomes big news guess what happens, people tune in, especially when the guy is the fucking champion.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:49 PM   #8714 (permalink)
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Of course the ratings went up, when one of your guys gets hurt and it becomes big news guess what happens, people tune in, especially when the guy is the fucking champion.
Nope! I'm sticking with people being so happy that he's injured that they celebrated by tuning in.

Seriously. The Punk hate has gotten to ridiculous levels, even though I know this thread is no measure for that, but still. I for one don't mark for Ryback or Punk or particularly any full-time guy at the moment but I actually like BOTH of them. Finally, two people other than Cena are getting pushed seriously by the WWE and that's definitely the right thing to do after his 6-year reign of terror. So that's all I care about.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:42 PM   #8715 (permalink)
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I love this thread just PURE comedy
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:51 PM   #8716 (permalink)
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Will definitely be a gain.

Whilst there are definitely a lot of Punk marks defending him even though he certainly isn't a ratings draw (and Punk is one of my favorite wrestlers) it is humorous to poke fun at some of the Punk haters who are even more dogmatic in their views thinking one guy is causing a ratings slump in a product full of creative problems .

OMGZ PUNKZ DOESN'T DRAWZ RATINGZ WILL INCREASE TO 3.5 IF THEY TAKE HIM OFF TELEVISIONZ
You have a very hyperbolic thought process.

Someone thinking that Punk is the biggest problem of the show now drawing does NOT = they think Punk is the only problem of the show. That's just a strawman argument for you to more easily argue against while you ignore the actual argument.

It's dumb to act like Punk isn't significantly at fault when he's been spotlighted the ENTIRE TIME ratings have been falling. At some point, you have to open your eyes and see what the common denominator is. Punk gets the most air time, most of the mic time on the show period, and has the main story always circle around him.

If Punk can't pull ratings up as the main star, he shouldn't be in that position. That's what this boils down to.

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Ryback gets 2 minutes on hour three = Ratings Die

Even with 2 minutes of airtime Ryback kills ratings. They should call him RyIcantdraw lol.
Bad take. Unadvertised, no match, no promo. . .just a run in at the tail end of the show. . for less than 2 minutes. Yet you're blaming him for the entire hour being poorly rated? Talk about straw grasping.

Even The Rock couldn't have saved that hour with an unadvertised sub 2 minute run in.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:58 PM   #8717 (permalink)
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I think it's also some what important to acknowledge that Monday Night Football was a blow-out. I'm sure that played a part too.
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Someone thinking that Punk is the biggest problem of the show now drawing does NOT = they think Punk is the only problem of the show. That's just a strawman argument for you to more easily argue against while you ignore the actual argument.
Have you even been reading some of the Punk hater's comments? There are members like roadkill who blame Punk entirely for the ratings going down. That isn't a strawman, it's what people have been saying.

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It's dumb to act like Punk isn't significantly at fault when he's been spotlighted the ENTIRE TIME ratings have been falling. At some point, you have to open your eyes and see what the common denominator is. Punk gets the most air time, most of the mic time on the show period, and has the main story always circle around him.
I never said Punk wasn't at fault. I even stated that he isn't a ratings draw . Where have I defended Punk other than saying that it isn't entirely his fault? Punk doesn't draw ratings, I get that. He isn't helping. But the writing around him has also been shockingly awful, the AJ/Cena storyline and the whole AJ scandal has been dreadful and it shows because not even Cena can pull the numbers up in his segment. The WHC storyline has been painfully generic and hasn't been drawing numbers either. None of the top stars right now are drawing anything significantly to suggest that it is entirely Punk's fault or even Punk's fault significantly. If it were, then especially Cena would be drawing significantly more than Punk and the numbers show that he isn't. Yes, I get that Raw for past few months has built round Punk but when even your poster child John Cena can't get the ratings to spike up in a storyline they have been building for months now that suggests that the ratings issue is a much bigger than one just one guy.

It's very easy to scapegoat and point the finger at one individual when in reality the problem is a lot larger than that. And that is what some Punk haters cannot admit: that Punk is only a part of the problem, he isn't the main or the whole issue here.

You could have someone like Austin or Rock in their prime who are two of the biggest draws this business has ever seen but if you don't have the right material behind them then people are simply not going to give a shit.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:59 PM   #8719 (permalink)
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If Punk can't pull ratings up as the main star, he shouldn't be in that position.
You nailed it.

And Ryback only appeared in the overrun, didn't he?! So his appearance isn't even included in the actual rating.

Austin and Rock in maybe the worst feud of all time, WWF vs The Alliance, still managed to hold the rating in the high 3's. That was bad for the time but WWE would kill to get numbers like that today.

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I don't know if it's been said, but it needs to be said because I noticed something about Raw this week that they didn't have last week...

Cody Rhodes Mustache=Ratings!!!!!
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